From moriah at preferred.com Fri May 11 21:41:39 2001 From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:41:39 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 102 YM report reminders ! Message-ID: <00db01c0da85$532df440$0500a8c0@oem> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IMP ^o^ Bulletin 102 Report Reminders! Addresses, Directions & Deadlines ------------------------------------------------------------------- State of Meeting -- census -- committee -- WQO reps ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (from the Administrative Assistant) <|> The reports below are needed now -- or soon. <|> Please read with heedfulness, and save! Please pass this on to fFriends who need to know. <|> e-mail and postal-mail addresses are at the end <|> ** State of the Meeting (or Worship Group) ** -- advance copy is wanted by YM Planning Committee (address below) by May 15th please, in order to plan June 7 program -- SAYMA Clerk would like an advance copy too -- advance copy to Recording Clerk would be very nice -- please bring 50 copies to YM at Warren Wilson <|> ** Census response ** -- please send it to the office as soon as possible (address below) -- thanks to those who've already sent them -- if you lack the worksheet please see IMP^o^bulletin 099 (an e-mail message) or contact the office <|> ** Committees ** -- as at Rep Meetings, SAYMA would like to hear about your work -- please provide 2 copies: Clerk & Recording Clerk (addresses below) -- electronic versions in advance are very helpful <|> ** Reps to Wider Quaker Organizations ** -- as many of you already know, SAYMA wants to hear about your activities -- please provide 2 copies: Clerk & Recording Clerk (addresses below) -- electronic versions in advance are very helpful <|> Yearly Meeting Planning Committee -- Mary Ann Downey, Clerk -- madowney at mindspring.com -- 860 Berkshire Rd NE, Atlanta GA 30324-4930 -- 404/ 892-2358 <|> Penelope Wright, SAYMA Clerk -- pennywright at earthlink.net (Word attachment, please) -- 1106 Caldwell Lane, Nashville TN 37204 <|> Carol Lamm, Recording Clerk -- clamm at kih.net (OK attached or in-the-body) -- 902 Slate Lick Rd, Berea KY 40403 -- an electronic version before YM would be great, 3.5" PC or Macintosh diskette at YM would be good, electronic version within a week after YM would be ok. -- to prepare copied Minutes, electronic versions help; to go on our website, WQO and State of Meeting reports need to be in electronic versions. <|> Mary Calhoun, Administrative Assistant -- AdminAsst at sayma.org -- c/o 165 Jackson St, Abingdon VA 24210 -- 540-628-5852 ~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 051101 ~~~~~~ _______________________________________ IMP ^o^ ... "Information Made Present" is a bulletin service of the SAYMA office to provide practical details to our geographically-challenged Yearly Meeting via our free list-server: semi-official information, bulletins that you can print, post, announce, publish, or pass around. Please address questions, corrections and additions to AdminAsst at sayma.org, 540-628-5852 (machine), or SAYMA Admin Asst, c/o 165 Jackson Street, Abingdon, VA 24210. Thank you! ^o^ Mary Calhoun, AA ----------------------------------------------------- To receive IMP^o^ bulletins, subscribe to the free list server, sayma at kitenet.net. You can e-mail to sayma-request at kitenet.net, writing only the word subscribe in the body of your e-mail message. You can also subscribe on the web at http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma. ------------------------------------------------------ From kcarlyle at juno.com Sat May 12 15:17:13 2001 From: kcarlyle at juno.com (Kim Carlyle) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] SAF: Meeting List Message-ID: <20010512.153311.-4059879.17.kcarlyle@juno.com> To Monthly Meetings and Worship Groups: Please review your information on the cover page of the latest Southern Appalachian Friend and submit any corrections or updates to SAFEditor at SAYMA.org Thanks. Susan & Kim Carlyle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From kcarlyle at juno.com Sat May 12 15:29:32 2001 From: kcarlyle at juno.com (Kim Carlyle) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:29:32 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] SAF Next Issue: 06/22 deadline Message-ID: <20010512.153311.-4059879.18.kcarlyle@juno.com> Hello SAYMA Friends, Please submit original articles, poetry, letters to the editor, news of your meeting, announcements, etc. for the next issue of Southern Appalachian Friend. If you submit a monthly meeting newsletter, please understand that as outsiders we are uncomfortable selecting items that represent your important activities or concerns. So if you are unable to send a brief report from your MM/WG, please at least highlight the newsletter items of significance and interest to YM readers. Send contributions (please include your name and phone number) by mail or e-mail to: SAF c/o Susan & Kim Carlyle, PO Box 439, Barnardsville, NC 28709 (828) 626-2572 e-mail: SAFEditor at sayma.org Deadline: 06/22/2001 P.S. 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May 18 - 20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (from the Administrative Assistant) <|> The Administrative Assistant will be away from the SAYMA office from noon Friday May 18 through Sunday May 20 to assist with "dorm touring" at an FGC Gathering planning meeting. <|> The office answering machine is on, and on power back-up in case of thunder-boomers! ~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 050801 ~~~~~~ _______________________________________ IMP ^o^ ... "Information Made Present" is a bulletin service of the SAYMA office to provide practical details to our geographically-challenged Yearly Meeting via our free list-server: semi-official information, bulletins that you can print, post, announce, publish, or pass around. Please address questions, corrections and additions to AdminAsst at sayma.org, 540-628-5852 (machine), or SAYMA Admin. Asst., c/o 165 Jackson Street, Abingdon, VA 24210. Thank you! ^o^ Mary Calhoun, AA ----------------------------------------------------- To receive IMP^o^ bulletins, subscribe to the free list server, sayma at kitenet.net. You can e-mail to sayma-request at kitenet.net, writing only the word subscribe in the body of your e-mail message. You can also subscribe on the web at http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma. ------------------------------------------------------ From moriah at preferred.com Wed May 23 19:05:50 2001 From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:05:50 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 105 YM session 6-7-01 Message-ID: <034301c0e3dd$5295cb00$0500a8c0@oem> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IMP ^o^ Bulletin 105 Reminder -- Called Business Session on June 7, 2001 ........................................................ in preparation for YM sessions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (from the Yearly Meeting final program) <|> If you're wondering about the Thursday afternoon June 7th "Business Session" shown in the Yearly Meeting 2001 Advance Program ... <|> ... it is a called meeting, with one item on the agenda ... "Consideration of formulating a minute concerning SAYMA's relationship with American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)" <|> ... in preparation for the "AFSC/SAYMA Relationship" item on the agenda for Meeting for Worship for Business on Friday afternoon, June 8th. ~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 052301 ~~~~~~ _______________________________________ IMP ^o^ ... "Information Made Present" is a bulletin service of the SAYMA office to provide practical details to our geographically-challenged Yearly Meeting via our free list-server: semi-official information, bulletins that you can print, post, announce, publish, or pass around. Please address questions, corrections and additions to AdminAsst at sayma.org, 540-628-5852 (machine), or SAYMA Admin. Asst., c/o 165 Jackson Street, Abingdon, VA 24210. Thank you! ^o^ Mary Calhoun, AA ----------------------------------------------------- To receive IMP^o^ bulletins, subscribe to the free list server, sayma at kitenet.net. You can e-mail to sayma-request at kitenet.net, writing only the word subscribe in the body of your e-mail message. You can also subscribe on the web at http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma. ------------------------------------------------------- From moriah at preferred.com Tue May 29 19:08:19 2001 From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:08:19 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Antibiotics Message-ID: <001101c0e894$556a2f40$0500a8c0@oem> Dear Sunday Rounds, Last weekend I heard part of your interview on the topic of antibiotics, including the problem of antibiotic-resistant germs. It reminded me of a Neosporin promotion that's been going on, and that seems to me to be out in left field as far as good sense and public education are concerned. A few months back a temp employee in a super-store handed me a free sample and a glossy flyer. The text emphasizes preventing scars, the image-with-the-eye-contact is a pretty young woman who might have concern for personal appearance, and the slogan is "every cut -- every time." I saw the same ad on TV just a week or so ago. The manufacturer's message struck me as superficial (playing on the fears of aging boomers?), unhealthy (do teen girls need "unscarred" as another form of "perfect" to worry about?), unwise (isn't public education now stressing careful use of antibiotics?), greedy (a cosmetic pitch to over-sell a medication?), and obscene (public health be dinged, let's make money on this stuff!). For some time I've been wondering to whose attention I might draw this ad that might make a difference. If Neosporin's campaign bothers you, or any of your featured physicians, I hope Sunday Rounds will say so on the air, and help keep the public message clear. If you know a reason why cosmetic use of this antibiotic is OK, I'd be interested to hear it. Sincerely, Mary Calhoun Abingdon, VA (listener, WETS-FM, Johnson City, TN) From CIsland at aol.com Thu May 31 22:21:59 2001 From: CIsland at aol.com (CIsland at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:21:59 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] AFSC and SAYMA Message-ID: <33.15df8192.28485647@aol.com> In regular Monthly Meeting for attention to business 13, 5th month, 2001, Chattanooga Friends approved the statement copied below for distribution to SAYMA as preparation for SAYMA's seeking discernment on its relationship with AFSC.  We wish for it to be distributed to Meetings prior to our gathering in 6th month.   QUAKER FAITH AND ?THE AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE? by Chattanooga Friends Meeting, Winter and Spring, 2001 Our concerns about AFSC are rooted in concern about integrity of witness to Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. We are convinced that the Religious Society of Friends has borne through history, and continues to bear in the present, testimonies of unique focus and intensity, testimonies that society-at-large desperately needs to hear. This does NOT mean that we view the past history of AFSC with condemnation. To the contrary, we acknowledge and appreciate AFSC?s long history of bearing witness to Quaker values in answering that of God in everyone, attempting to remove ?occasions? that lead to war and giving agape-love service. Further, we acknowledge and appreciate those aspects of AFSC?s current programs that continue to bear the same witness. Our concern is about the overall, long-term trend of AFSC drifting, small step by small step, away from being centered in the core of Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. Although we felt some concern about the trend within AFSC before, we were galvanized to speak out by the conditions surrounding Bill Holland?s sudden resignation from his position as director of AFSC-SERO in 1998. Those conditions revealed actions within AFSC-SERO that bore a witness contrary to Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. At least one person was being treated as though there was not that of God in him. We recognize that anyone or a group takes a risk that such things will happen when he, or they, try to empower people who have long been socio-economically disenfranchised and are justifiably angry. But, when the actions occur within an organization bearing the name ?Friends,? it attaches to the name a witness contrary to our testimonies. It was out of these concerns that we approved and published the following worshipfully considered minutes: From the Minutes of Chattanooga Friends Meeting 6, 6th month 1999: ·.. After much thought, Friends approve the following: Friends have considered Bill Holland's resignation and AFSC's actions that led up to it. We do not know everything about the matter so we seek clarification. We are so serious in our concern that we wish to withhold our $100 annual contribution to AFSC until the matter is clarified. Chattanooga Friends Meeting further Proposes that SAYMA consider adopting the following minute: In light of the serious indicators that the American Friends Service Committee has drifted away from Quaker principles in its internal operations, we will withhold financial contributions to AFSC until it has become fully clear to us that AFSC's internal operating processes are compatible with Spirit-led Quaker principles. This minute came to SAYMA too late for the 1999 yearly meeting because that meeting?s agenda had already been completely filled and set. The overall issue was discussed at SAYMA Representative Meeting in the fall of 1999. It was in that meeting that Bill Holland proposed his ?50-50? reorganization of AFSC, a proposal designed to correct the internal drift away from Quaker faith and practice. (As far as we know, there has not been any further discussion of this proposal by anyone, anywhere, at all.) Consideration of the Chattanooga Meeting?s proposed minute and the larger issue of SAYMA?s relationship with AFSC fell off the end of yearly meeting?s agenda in 2000 due to our time being all used up. This year it is set at the front of the agenda. Subsequently, AFSC-SERO circulated a set of queries to SAYMA (and other yearly meetings) Monthly Meetings and Worship Groups asking for input about views and desired changes in AFSC-SERO. We sent in our deeply considered responses and waited to hear back from AFSC-SERO about them. AFSC-SERO?s reply to our responses, summed up in a nutshell, explained that the characteristics of the organization, with a staff whose time is filled with work on the programs, is not able to be closely involved with monthly meetings. However, there was a line in that response that said three task groups are working on ?various activities which would help respond to some of your queries.? We received this response a full year ago. We have not heard anything since. We have also noted that the very second paragraph of AFSC?s Mission Statement as published in their website contains the following statement: ?..., the AFSC draws into its work people of many faiths and backgrounds who share the values that animate its life and who bring to it a rich variety of experiences and spiritual insights.? (Underlining added) The underlined phrases directly indicate that the operations of AFSC are NOT solely based on Quaker faith and practice. In addition, in the first paragraph on the AFSC website?s page titled ?About AFSC,? we find this statement: ?The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) is a Quaker organization that includes people of various faiths....? (Underlining added) Yes, and since it is fact that the majority of the people who run AFSC?s programs are of faiths other than Quaker, is it legitimate to call it ?a Quaker organization?? We feel it would be honest to call it ?an interdenominational organization?? Conclusion: The facts outlined above, along with other facts not outlined above, confirm for us the impression that AFSC remains fully set in its current operating style and is not interested in a dialogue for reform. It is a robust organization firmly committed to moving forward without modification of the characteristics it has evolved into at this point in time. We acknowledge that this is not all bad and that AFSC is continuing to accomplish positive goals in its work. However, due to the significant degree of disconnection from essential Quaker practice, a disconnection that we do not believe will be changed in the foreseeable future, and due to our concern that Quakerism?s unique testimonies not be lost in a vague, glowing generality of social activism, we now suggest it is time for the word ?Friends? in AFSC?s name be removed or replaced. Perhaps, ?American Faiths Service Committee? would be good. In the Light, Bill Reynolds e-mail: cisland at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CIsland at aol.com Thu May 31 22:32:56 2001 From: CIsland at aol.com (CIsland at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:32:56 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] AFSC and SAYMA Message-ID: <21.c72414b.284858d8@aol.com> In regular Monthly Meeting for attention to business 13, 5th month, 2001, Chattanooga Friends approved the statement copied below for distribution to SAYMA as preparation for SAYMA's seeking discernment on its relationship with AFSC.  We wish for it to be distributed to Meetings prior to our gathering in 6th month.   QUAKER FAITH AND ?THE AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE? by Chattanooga Friends Meeting, Winter and Spring, 2001 Our concerns about AFSC are rooted in concern about integrity of witness to Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. We are convinced that the Religious Society of Friends has borne through history, and continues to bear in the present, testimonies of unique focus and intensity, testimonies that society-at-large desperately needs to hear. This does NOT mean that we view the past history of AFSC with condemnation. To the contrary, we acknowledge and appreciate AFSC?s long history of bearing witness to Quaker values in answering that of God in everyone, attempting to remove ?occasions? that lead to war and giving agape-love service. Further, we acknowledge and appreciate those aspects of AFSC?s current programs that continue to bear the same witness. Our concern is about the overall, long-term trend of AFSC drifting, small step by small step, away from being centered in the core of Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. Although we felt some concern about the trend within AFSC before, we were galvanized to speak out by the conditions surrounding Bill Holland?s sudden resignation from his position as director of AFSC-SERO in 1998. Those conditions revealed actions within AFSC-SERO that bore a witness contrary to Quaker faith, practice and testimonies. At least one person was being treated as though there was not that of God in him. We recognize that anyone or a group takes a risk that such things will happen when he, or they, try to empower people who have long been socio-economically disenfranchised and are justifiably angry. But, when the actions occur within an organization bearing the name ?Friends,? it attaches to the name a witness contrary to our testimonies. It was out of these concerns that we approved and published the following worshipfully considered minutes: From the Minutes of Chattanooga Friends Meeting 6, 6th month 1999: ·.. After much thought, Friends approve the following: Friends have considered Bill Holland's resignation and AFSC's actions that led up to it. We do not know everything about the matter so we seek clarification. We are so serious in our concern that we wish to withhold our $100 annual contribution to AFSC until the matter is clarified. Chattanooga Friends Meeting further Proposes that SAYMA consider adopting the following minute: In light of the serious indicators that the American Friends Service Committee has drifted away from Quaker principles in its internal operations, we will withhold financial contributions to AFSC until it has become fully clear to us that AFSC's internal operating processes are compatible with Spirit-led Quaker principles. This minute came to SAYMA too late for the 1999 yearly meeting because that meeting?s agenda had already been completely filled and set. The overall issue was discussed at SAYMA Representative Meeting in the fall of 1999. It was in that meeting that Bill Holland proposed his ?50-50? reorganization of AFSC, a proposal designed to correct the internal drift away from Quaker faith and practice. (As far as we know, there has not been any further discussion of this proposal by anyone, anywhere, at all.) Consideration of the Chattanooga Meeting?s proposed minute and the larger issue of SAYMA?s relationship with AFSC fell off the end of yearly meeting?s agenda in 2000 due to our time being all used up. This year it is set at the front of the agenda. Subsequently, AFSC-SERO circulated a set of queries to SAYMA (and other yearly meetings) Monthly Meetings and Worship Groups asking for input about views and desired changes in AFSC-SERO. We sent in our deeply considered responses and waited to hear back from AFSC-SERO about them. AFSC-SERO?s reply to our responses, summed up in a nutshell, explained that the characteristics of the organization, with a staff whose time is filled with work on the programs, is not able to be closely involved with monthly meetings. However, there was a line in that response that said three task groups are working on ?various activities which would help respond to some of your queries.? We received this response a full year ago. We have not heard anything since. We have also noted that the very second paragraph of AFSC?s Mission Statement as published in their website contains the following statement: ?..., the AFSC draws into its work people of many faiths and backgrounds who share the values that animate its life and who bring to it a rich variety of experiences and spiritual insights.? (Underlining added) The underlined phrases directly indicate that the operations of AFSC are NOT solely based on Quaker faith and practice. In addition, in the first paragraph on the AFSC website?s page titled ?About AFSC,? we find this statement: ?The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) is a Quaker organization that includes people of various faiths....? (Underlining added) Yes, and since it is fact that the majority of the people who run AFSC?s programs are of faiths other than Quaker, is it legitimate to call it ?a Quaker organization?? We feel it would be honest to call it ?an interdenominational organization?? Conclusion: The facts outlined above, along with other facts not outlined above, confirm for us the impression that AFSC remains fully set in its current operating style and is not interested in a dialogue for reform. It is a robust organization firmly committed to moving forward without modification of the characteristics it has evolved into at this point in time. We acknowledge that this is not all bad and that AFSC is continuing to accomplish positive goals in its work. However, due to the significant degree of disconnection from essential Quaker practice, a disconnection that we do not believe will be changed in the foreseeable future, and due to our concern that Quakerism?s unique testimonies not be lost in a vague, glowing generality of social activism, we now suggest it is time for the word ?Friends? in AFSC?s name be removed or replaced. Perhaps, ?American Faiths Service Committee? would be good. 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