From perryt at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct  1 14:23:51 2001
From: perryt at bellsouth.net (Perry Treadwell)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:23:51 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Non-quarter
Message-ID: <3BB8B4B6.663B26CC@bellsouth.net>

?THE NON-QUARTER QUARTER
  A very successful and deep meeting was held September 22 at the
Atlanta Friends
Meeting House. Mary Litch and Jim Flege from Birmingham and Alice Wald
from Columbia met with Perry Treadwell and Kathy Johnson from Atlanta.
We decided to go through the Inreach/Outreach Packet prepared by the
Advancement and Outreach Committee of FGC.
 Almost immediately we found it necessary to explore our feelings and
attempts to
reconcile our spiritual grounding with the recent attack on New York
City and Washington, D.C. One of us observed that our peace testimony is
based on our spiritual life The sentence from the introductory letter
for the packet seemed appropriate: “We believe that ‘inreach’ –deepening
the spiritual life of our meetings– is as important as
‘outreach’–letting the world know that we are here.”
 We found that in sharing what brought us to Friends the first time was
either other
F(f)riends or curiosity. We all stayed because we almost immediately
recognized a spiritual home. We found the Outreach Review extensive but
slanted toward meetings that have meeting houses. What about smaller
house meetings?
 We spent some time with welcoming the visitor: greeting, physical
place, conversations
after rise of meeting, attractive bulletin boards. What is the spiritual
content of the worship. We talked of a continuum of attenders some on
one end feeling comfortable with God and Jesus messages and others made
uneasy by positions reminding them of the religious institutions they
had come from.
 The remaining contents of the packet were helpful resources from FGC,
suggestions for
the meeting telephone, a workshop on outreach, a “plain and simple press
release”, ad a list of outreach pamphlets.
 Those attending found it a very productive meeting. Those attending
said that they would
carry back the ideas we shared to their meetings. We suggested that the
next meeting be
approximately one year from now and that Athens meeting would be asked
to host the it.
Perry Treadwell

Those interested more on outreach and the packets please email Jane
Berger <jberger at westnet.com>






From jhminshall at mindspring.com  Tue Oct  2 15:33:34 2001
From: jhminshall at mindspring.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:33:34 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Updates
Message-ID: <a05010402b7dfc57db92d@[207.69.1.185]>

Dear Friends,

This summer when we were exchanging messages about globalization and 
economics several of you wrote to me and asked for references for 
further reading. An excellent resource is just out.  The Economist 
magazine for Sept.29-October 10 has a twenty-seven page special 
section on "Globalization And Its Critics".
The section addresses almost every issue I've heard raised about 
globalization.  It does a very good job of presenting complex ideas 
relatively simply and of dismissing arguments that are popular but 
have no basis in truth.  The Economist is centrist (neither far right 
nor far left).  I use it for reference for those without a background 
in economics for this reason as both ends of the political spectrum 
tend to distort facts, figures and timelines to support their own 
perspective. This is the cheapest and most reliable intro to 
globalization and economics you can get and its on the newsstand 
right now.

You may also recall an abridged version of an article in The 
Economist by Bjorn Lomborg which I sent out in August.  Lomborg is a 
researcher and professor at the University of Aarhus in Denmark and a 
former "deep green" environmental activist.  In 1997, Lomborg set out 
to challenge the writing of Julian Simon, an economist who doubted 
environmentalists claims.  Lomborg found after thorough research, 
that the data generally supported the economist. He found further 
that the environmentalists were exaggerating and distorting info on 
the environment apparently to increase the fear factor as well as 
contributions to their own organizations.  Lomborg's book has now 
been published and economists and other researchers are going over 
his data.  So far his work has proven to be accurate both in details 
and in his conclusions.  "The accumulating power of the book lies in 
the sheer toll of carefully documented examples."  Lomborg's book is 
The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring The Real State of The 
World, published by Cambridge University Press $27.95 or L17.95 in 
paperback.  Read it if you wish to have a more realistic and hopeful 
view of the environmental issues we face.

Finally, I came across a very good editorial in a back issue of 
Newsweek magazine World View section, 7-30-01,p.25.It was written 
just after the large anti-globalization demonstration in Genoa, 
Italy.  His comments are both critical and supportive of the 
demonstrator's claims.  The single best argument he makes, however, 
is to show how middle-class Americans and Western Europeans are 
trying to impose their own fears and superstitions about genetically 
modified foods, pesticides and drugs on poor countries.  He quotes 
Mark Malloch Brown, Head of the United Nations Development Program, 
"It is unfortunate that the protesters have such a strong 
anti-technolgy bias" He cites a recent study just released by the 
UNDP, an astonishing report on development and technology 
(www.undp.org/hdr2001/) which urges poor countries to consider their 
own needs first and not follow the lead of those in the West who are 
not starving, do not have 1,000,000 people per year dying of malaria, 
and are already protected from communicable diseases which still 
ravage the poor. Malloch Brown argues that genetically modified 
staples  -- rice, millet, and cassava -- have 50% higher yields, 
mature 30 to 50 days sooner , are much richer in protein, and resist 
disease, draught, pests and weeds.  "Not one person has died as a 
result of eating genetically modified foods.  On the other hand, 
starvation kills millions every year".

Malloch Brown adds as illustration, "By fully exposing itself to the 
capital and technology of the First World in the '80s and '90s, East 
Asia actually doubled the living standards of its people, a process 
that took the West more than 100 years to accomplish.

If any of you have questions or comments please respond.  If you are 
more comfortable doing that "off the list" thats just fine.  Love, 
Janet





From Jlcpulliam at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 19:14:10 2001
From: Jlcpulliam at aol.com (Jlcpulliam at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:14:10 EDT
Subject: [saymaListserv] Updates
Message-ID: <107.68aa25e.28ecf5c2@aol.com>


> Janet,
> I have been hearing about Lomberg from biologists and ecologists lately. 
>  Lomberg is NOT a scientist, and the scientists say he doesn't understand 
> science and what's happening to our environment.  I would certainly take 
> anything he says with a BIG grain of salt.  I think that, rather than 
> looking for a not-so-gloomy message about the state of the environment, we 
> should face the truth.  Otherwise, the situation will just get bleaker.
> 
> I think you are mistaken when you say, "So far his work has proven to be 
> accurate both in details and in his conclusions."  You say "economists and 
> other researchers are going over his data,"  but you don't say if the 
> researchers are scientists or economists.  I bet they are not scientific 
> researchers.  Biologists certainly don't think he knows what he's talking 
> about.
> 
> The fact that an otherwise respectable publication like The Economist would 
> publish Lomberg's  article is a testament to its willingness to let all 
> sides be heard, no matter how far off track the author is.  I think this is 
> similar to what would happen if it published an article by people from the 
> Flat Earth Society.  They deserve to be heard but not believed.
> 
> I hate to sound so negative, but I really don't want other people to get 
> the impression that Lomberg's ideas about the environment are mainstream or 
> accepted by scientists who know the field.
> 
> Love,
> Janice


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From jhminshall at mindspring.com  Thu Oct  4 11:14:39 2001
From: jhminshall at mindspring.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:14:39 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: Updates -- Lomborg's book
Message-ID: <a05010404b7e228e9fc8e@[209.86.78.215]>


Hi Janice, Thanks for your response.  No, Lomborg is not a scientist 
in the sense that you mean.  He is a PhD statistician.  The 
researchers I found in a web search on responses in Europe show that 
statisticians and economists who have checked his findings have thus 
far found them to be pretty accurate.

There were also reponses from environmentalists and scientists who 
have a vested interest in protecting their past pronouncements saying 
that Lomborg doesn't understand science. But he does understand the 
facts, figures and timelines that they -- the environmentalists and 
scientists -- have published for the public and vouched for.  Those 
facts, figures and timelines are what he challenges.

(Since I wrote the "Updates" message a very good review of Lomborg's 
book by Ronald Bailey, Science Correspondent for Reason Magazine, 
appeared in The Wall Street Journal, 10-2-01, another "respectable 
publication".  It is available on the web 
(www.reason.com/hod/rb100201.html) or I will send you a copy if you 
wish.)

  Love, Janet





>Janet,
>I have been hearing about Lomberg from biologists and ecologists 
>lately.  Lomberg is NOT a scientist, and the scientists say he 
>doesn't understand science and what's happening to our environment. 
> I would certainly take anything he says with a BIG grain of salt. 
> I think that, rather than looking for a not-so-gloomy message about 
>the state of the environment, we should face the truth.  Otherwise, 
>the situation will just get bleaker.
>
>I think you are mistaken when you say, "So far his work has proven 
>to be accurate both in details and in his conclusions."  You say 
>"economists and other researchers are going over his data,"  but you 
>don't say if the researchers are scientists or economists.  I bet 
>they are not scientific researchers.  Biologists certainly don't 
>think he knows what he's talking about.
>
>The fact that an otherwise respectable publication like The 
>Economist would publish Lomberg's  article is a testament to its 
>willingness to let all sides be heard, no matter how far off track 
>the author is.  I think this is similar to what would happen if it 
>published an article by people from the Flat Earth Society.  They 
>deserve to be heard but not believed.
>
>I hate to sound so negative, but I really don't want other people to 
>get the impression that Lomberg's ideas about the environment are 
>mainstream or accepted by scientists who know the field.
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From carrtk at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 11 10:13:35 2001
From: carrtk at earthlink.net (Thais Carr)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:13:35 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] scam
Message-ID: <008d01c1525e$eb673ea0$ee3056d1@hpcustomer>

I heard the phone ring during Meeting for Worship Sunday morning.  Only  a few of us were at the Meeting House as most were at a local state park for the annual fall fellowship weekend & I felt I should answer it in case it was someone at the retreat needing something.

It was a call from a man identifying himself as Terry Johnston from the LA Meeting.  He said he had taken a bus to try to reconnect with his family (I think in PA) & he has HIV.  The family decided to disown him & a friend had gotten him this far.  Someone else was having a bus ticket delivered by courier to the hotel, but he needed money for the next night's hotel stay & for food on the way home.

When I told him I would call his home Meeting to confirm they know him, he kept saying time was of the essence & he couldn't wait, that he needed to be there to receive the ticket.  He said he had tried repeatedly to call the LA Meeting, but no one would call him back.  He said he couldn't believe I didn't care & he couldn't wait for me to call them, even though I felt someone would surely be at their Meeting House in the next hour or so. I told him we'd be there another hour or so in case he changed his mind & decided to call back.

 I felt sad that perhaps I had failed to give him the benefit of the doubt, but we later talked with someone from that Meeting.  Apparently they get about one call a year with a similar story (different name), & he sometimes says he's from the Hollywood Meeting.  Just thought I should warn other Friends in this area of the country, just in case you do get a call.

Thais Carr
co-clerk, Nashville Monthly Meeting
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From lingle at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 12 12:27:41 2001
From: lingle at bellsouth.net (Larry Ingle)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:27:41 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] A historical analysis of the current crisis
Message-ID: <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>

Much of the discussion of the tragedy surrounding the September 11 attacks
has failed to put the problem in historical context.  Words like "terrorism"
and calls for justice, emanating from the president and his supporters
across the political establishments around the world, add to the confusion.
President Bush was quick to condemn the attacks as aimed at what he defined
as the central feature of the United States, "freedom."  Much of what we
have heard thus obfuscates rather than clarifies.

It's clear that those who planned and carried out the attacks chose their
targets well--they were the World Trade Center, massive symbols of American
capitalism and the culture that has grown up around it, and the Pentagon,
the central military defender of this system.  These choices were hardly
random.

The United States, as we have so often been told in the last decade, is the
world's supreme super power and thus an heir to confronting all the problems
that were obscured by the Cold War, and earlier the struggle against German
militarism in World War I and Nazism prior to and during World War II.  It
is no surprise that both political parties in the United States have drawn
on the "universalism" that characterizes the policies of the principal
architect of American foreign policy in the 20th century.

That architect was Woodrow Wilson.  His Fourteen Points called for creation
of an "open world" that would assure open borders and open markets, both
prerequisites for the expansion of American (and capitalist) penetration and
influence around the world.  This open world, once established by the League
of Nations and subsequently the United Nations, has essentially represented
those who benefited from the status quo and who promised to maintain the
system against any group that threatened it--German militarists, Nazis,
Communists, or nationalists of various stripes in scattered countries.

Osama bin Laden is apparently the latest person to call into question this
"globalization" or universalism.  And George Bush is the latest American
president to endeavor to defend things as they are with military force, an
amazingly ineffective instrument to combat a set of ideas that oppose what
universalism has wrought.  The attacks on American symbols of power and
influence thus fit into a world-wide struggle that has been going on for
nearly a century.

It is hard to believe that Bush and his allies can find acceptable ways to
"end evil in the world" as he promised early on.  To be honest, even Jesus
was not capable of doing this, and Bush is no where near as appealing a
figure as that first century teacher.

If Friends are to be effective, we have to find ways to highlight and
challenge these sets of assumptions, without falling into knee-jerk
varieties of either the right or left wings.  One of the hardest things to
do is to refuse to use the words that defenders of the open world trumpet
around--words like "terrorism" and "freedom," used in the restricted fashion
that Bush fancies.  And we must live in ways that demonstrate our refusal to
buy into styles of life that ultmately add to the problem.

For what it's worth.

Larry Ingle
Chattanooga Meeting (SAYMA)




From tolsen at tusculum.edu  Fri Oct 12 14:34:19 2001
From: tolsen at tusculum.edu (Taimi Olsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:34:19 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] A historical analysis of the current crisis
References: <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>
Message-ID: <3BC737AB.ACAFA120@tusculum.edu>

I appreciated Larry's message.  I was just talking with colleagues about the
bombing campaign (one of whom is from France and mentioned that her parents see
US planes flying overhead constantly).  It's helpful to hear peace perspectives
and to be reminded of historical and world contexts.

Larry and I both teach, which reminded me of a question.  Has anyone--either
through Meeting or campus groups--tried to do a peace teach-in?  And if so, what
was tried and with what success?  Also, I've pasted in a message (see below)
which I received from NC Friends.  It gives the link to a new Quaker Peace Site
by Chuck Fager.

Taimi Olsen
Foxfire Friends Meeting (Johnson City)

-----Original Message-----
From: CHUCKFAGER at aol.com [mailto:CHUCKFAGER at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:43 AM
To: fqa at quaker.org
Subject: A New Webpage on Quaker Pacifism



Dear Friends,

        In the current wartime environment, and especially in light of the
perceived threats of terrorism against "civilians," many Friends in the US
and
elsewhere are thinking and rethinking the meaning of the Friends Peace
Testimony.  Some of the questions being asked are:

        How "pacifist" were early Friends, really?
        What are the limits, if any, to the pacifism of the famous 1661
declaration?
        Is there a valid distinction between "police actions" and military
force, from the Quaker perspective?  If so, how is the distinction
determined?
        What is the proper place for punishment and revenge in situations
such
as we now face?
         Does pacifism have any meaning in the face of violence against the
innocent and defenseless?

    Already, one Friend with a high public profile, Scott Simon of National
Public Radio, has gone on record as abandoning his understanding of pacifism

in the face of  recent violence. Others may feel similarly, but many Friends

still are resolved to hold to a strong pacifist commitment.

        To assist in further exploration of these and related issues, I have
set up The Quaker Peace Page, a webpage, at:

www.kimopress.com/quaker-peace.htm

       Here you will find excerpts from various Quaker statements on peace
and
pacifism, old and new, plus links to numerous related articles (including
Scott Simon's statement), all also on the web. I expect to add to the page
as
additional resources become available.

        I hope Friends and others will find this page and its links of use
in
sorting out these difficult issues for themselves.

Chuck Fager
--------------------






From bright_crow at mindspring.com  Sat Oct 13 00:04:35 2001
From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Michael Austin Shell)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:04:35 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] RE: A historical analysis of the current crisis
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011013000435.007a19d0@pop.mindspring.com>

Dear Friends,

Friend Larry Ingle speaks my mind.

Thank you, Larry, for such a clear statement of the issue.

Blessed Be,
Michael.



From jhminshall at mindspring.com  Sat Oct 13 10:30:16 2001
From: jhminshall at mindspring.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:30:16 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] A historical analysis of the current crisis
In-Reply-To:  <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>
References:  <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>
Message-ID: <a05010400b7edf9514853@[209.86.150.52]>

Hi Larry and SAYMA Friends,  I really disagree that it is economic 
globalization that has created the current crisis.  Unfortunately it 
has become most common  to blame nearly everything bad that is 
happening in the world on globalization but most of the charges have 
no basis in fact (see The Economist magazine, Sept. 29 to Oct. 10 
issue, special section on "Globalization and Its Critics" on 
newstands now).

This crisis was caused, rather, by one-sided political decisions and 
resentments  created over a long period of time in the Middle East. 
I sent out the letter below  in response to a discussion on Jack 
Powelson's Classic Liberal Quaker newsletter list.  Jack is a Quaker 
economist whose writing focuses on economics and morality and 
involves Quakers from around the country.

To subscribe, at no cost (or unsubscribe) to the Classic Liberal 
Quaker send an empty email letter (no subject, no text) to 
clq-subscribe at quaker.org.
			Best Regards,  Janet Minshall




Dear Friends, J.D. von Pischke, in the Classic Liberal Quaker Letter 
#25, asks why the US undertakes "extraterritorial adventures" and why 
we Quakers put up with it quietly.  Good questions.  Assuming that it 
is unlikely that we can immediately persuade our government and our 
military to "give peace a chance", to provide only humanitarian aid 
using unarmed volunteers anywhere outside the US, as von Pischke 
suggests, maybe an intermediate step would move us in the right 
direction.

I have watched with interest an excellent "Frontline" series of 
documentaries on Public Television which has provided a truthful and 
straightforward account of US involvement in the Mid-East since the 
Suez War in 1956. Two points stood out:

1.) A Saudi prince interviewed in those documentaries explains that 
in his country a King must be balanced in his actions and rule fairly 
or he will (literally) lose his head.

2.) In an interview with a young Arab member of al Quaeda, the bin 
Laden organization, we are asked sincerely "OK, the US is now the 
world's super power so why can't you play fair?"  Another good 
question.

Now that the cold war is over and capitalism has proved itself to be 
the most successful economic system in history  -- now that we have 
clearly won -- why do we continue to back certain regimes and 
governments one-sidedly and thus perpetually create very real 
feelings of unfairness and resentment in those we do not back or back 
only nominally?  Why do we continue to play the old and outmoded form 
of power politics that is no longer appropriate to our position?  Why 
can't we become the balanced and fair-minded leader that both the 
Saudi prince and the young terrorist seek?

We have sent Israel huge amounts of money and armaments and then 
conducted a highly publicized and televised production pretending to 
mediate a fair and equitable peace settlement with the Palestinians. 
What if we drew the line right now and said that fifty years of 
financing, arms, and overt political support is enough and the 
Israelis now must make it on their own?

We have chosen to back some Afghan tribes with money, arms and CIA 
training in the twenty-year war fought there in order to counter 
other Afghan tribes whom the Russians chose to back.  What if we 
acknowledged publicly that some of our CIA-trained troops in 
Afghanistan turned against us and our years of playing the "lets you 
and him fight" game backfired on us?

What else would have to change if we began to treat everyone fairly? 
For one thing, we would have to find ways of bringing all contending 
forces to the point of "cease fire".  Then we would have to recruit a 
new diplomatic corp and work consistently through them to promote 
understanding, goodwill and democratic governments rather than using 
mistrust, hostility, and corrupt power elites to achieve our purposes 
as we often have in the past.  And we would have to come up with a 
formula based on need rather than political advantage and apply it 
absolutely impartially in order to provide economic assistance.

If we suddenly became balanced and fair-minded in our treatment of 
people in all the other countries in the world, what effect would 
that have on our lives and the lives of others? We might just find 
that we could all begin to feel safe and secure again.
				Janet Minshall




Larry Ingle wrote:

>Much of the discussion of the tragedy surrounding the September 11 attacks
>has failed to put the problem in historical context.  Words like "terrorism"
>and calls for justice, emanating from the president and his supporters
>across the political establishments around the world, add to the confusion.
>President Bush was quick to condemn the attacks as aimed at what he defined
>as the central feature of the United States, "freedom."  Much of what we
>have heard thus obfuscates rather than clarifies.
>
>It's clear that those who planned and carried out the attacks chose their
>targets well--they were the World Trade Center, massive symbols of American
>capitalism and the culture that has grown up around it, and the Pentagon,
>the central military defender of this system.  These choices were hardly
>random.
>
>The United States, as we have so often been told in the last decade, is the
>world's supreme super power and thus an heir to confronting all the problems
>that were obscured by the Cold War, and earlier the struggle against German
>militarism in World War I and Nazism prior to and during World War II.  It
>is no surprise that both political parties in the United States have drawn
>on the "universalism" that characterizes the policies of the principal
>architect of American foreign policy in the 20th century.
>
>That architect was Woodrow Wilson.  His Fourteen Points called for creation
>of an "open world" that would assure open borders and open markets, both
>prerequisites for the expansion of American (and capitalist) penetration and
>influence around the world.  This open world, once established by the League
>of Nations and subsequently the United Nations, has essentially represented
>those who benefited from the status quo and who promised to maintain the
>system against any group that threatened it--German militarists, Nazis,
>Communists, or nationalists of various stripes in scattered countries.
>
>Osama bin Laden is apparently the latest person to call into question this
>"globalization" or universalism.  And George Bush is the latest American
>president to endeavor to defend things as they are with military force, an
>amazingly ineffective instrument to combat a set of ideas that oppose what
>universalism has wrought.  The attacks on American symbols of power and
>influence thus fit into a world-wide struggle that has been going on for
>nearly a century.
>
>It is hard to believe that Bush and his allies can find acceptable ways to
>"end evil in the world" as he promised early on.  To be honest, even Jesus
>was not capable of doing this, and Bush is no where near as appealing a
>figure as that first century teacher.
>
>If Friends are to be effective, we have to find ways to highlight and
>challenge these sets of assumptions, without falling into knee-jerk
>varieties of either the right or left wings.  One of the hardest things to
>do is to refuse to use the words that defenders of the open world trumpet
>around--words like "terrorism" and "freedom," used in the restricted fashion
>that Bush fancies.  And we must live in ways that demonstrate our refusal to
>buy into styles of life that ultmately add to the problem.
>
>For what it's worth.
>
>Larry Ingle
>Chattanooga Meeting (SAYMA)
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association mailing list
>sayma at kitenet.net
>http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma



From rifkin at lij.edu  Sat Oct 13 11:58:24 2001
From: rifkin at lij.edu (Arthur Rifkin MD)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:58:24 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] RE: [Quaker-P] A historical analysis of the current crisis
In-Reply-To: <11C04CBC97B2D5119D6400508BAEBD801E3D44@nt40nh400exch01.pvt.lij.edu>
Message-ID: <11C04CBC97B2D5119D6400508BAEBD801F7197@nt40nh400exch01.pvt.lij.edu>

I would appreciate hearing more from Larry Ingle about what he means by
"universalism" and its alternative that he thinks desirable.

Arthur Rifkin
Manhasset MM
NYYM



From lingle at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 13 18:10:25 2001
From: lingle at bellsouth.net (Larry Ingle)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:10:25 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: [Quaker-P] A historical analysis of the current crisis
Message-ID: <20011013221330.YSNJ28509.imf15bis.bellsouth.net@[209.214.41.139]>

Universalism is the assumption of Woodrow Wilson, picked up by literally all
of his successors, that the way to achieve peace and security in the world
is to create one that has a set of rules--his Fourteen Points--that will be
accepted by or enforced by a super-national body on every nation in the
world.  Any nation that refuses to accept or prevent enforcement of these
rules would be considered an outlaw nation and subjected to international
discipline, up to and including military force.

(I would suggest that anyone interested review Wilson's Points, in any
encyclopedia, for a fuller discussion of this way of looking at the world.)

At the time Wilson announced his Fourteen Points the other approach was one
that diplomatic historians refer to as "balance of power" or "spheres of
influence."  This method would see the major powers in the world balanced
fairly evenly against each other and surrounded by friendly and weaker
nations.  If one major nation go out of line, then it would be brought back
into conformity with the system by another power.

The question of an alternative is a difficult one, and as a historian I am
uncomfortable in recommending one.  I can say that in the 19th century, from
1815 to 1914, there were no European-wide or world conflicts and the balance
of power approach was predominant.  It was only with the rise of liberalism,
coupled with nationalism, that this approach was ended, and World War I
ensued.  It was the greatest conflict in the history of mankind up to that
point.  Need I mention that the 20th century was the most violent in the
history of human beings, a fact that suggests that liberalism and
nationalism failed to achieve its goals if they be a world of peace and
security.

I hope this helps.

For what it's worth.

Larry Ingle
Chattanooga Meeting (SAYMA)

----------
>From: Arthur Rifkin MD <rifkin at lij.edu>
>To: "'Larry Ingle'" <lingle at bellsouth.net>, <quaker-p at yang.earlham.edu>
>Cc: <quaker-spectrum at world.std.com>, <sayma at kitenet.net>
>Subject: RE: [Quaker-P] A historical analysis of the current crisis
>Date: Sat, Oct 13, 2001, 11:58 AM
>

>
> I would appreciate hearing more from Larry Ingle about what he means by
> "universalism" and its alternative that he thinks desirable.
>
> Arthur Rifkin
> Manhasset MM
> NYYM
> 



From bertskellie at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 15 11:31:20 2001
From: bertskellie at mindspring.com (Bert Skellie)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:31:20 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker Statement in Response to Attacks on Afghanistan
Message-ID: <001601c1558e$7ad23cc0$431c56d1@none>

Dear Friends,

In case you haven't seen this.  AFSC is also looking for blankets for
Afghanistan.  They can be sent to the High Point Office at 606 Springfield
Rd., High Point, NC 27263.

Peace,

Bert


For Immediate Release  Contact:  Janis D. Shields, (215) 241-7060
       October 11, 2001     John W. Haigis, (215) 241-7056

JOINT STATEMENT IN RESPONSE
TO MILITARY ATTACKS ON AFGHANISTAN

PHILADELPHIA, PA ?- We pray at this time for the people of the United
States, Afghanistan, and the rest of the world.  We hold in prayer those
killed and wounded in the terrorist attacks of September 11, those being
killed and wounded by the military strikes on Afghanistan that began on
October 7, and all who grieve for them.

We regret the decision by our nation's leaders to launch military strikes
against Afghanistan, and we call upon them to halt the bombing and other
military attacks.

We recognize the responsibility of the international community to apprehend
and try, under international law, those responsible for the recent terrorist
attacks.  We urge that such efforts be undertaken as a law enforcement
action-not as acts of war-and with great care to avoid the killing or
injuring of innocent people.

History teaches us that violence leads to more violence.  We expect that
these massive military strikes by missiles and bombers against this already
devastated, starving country will almost certainly make it easier for the
leaders of this terrorist struggle to recruit more people to their cause.
We must break the cycle of escalating violence.

The struggle against terrorism will indeed be long.  To succeed, it will
have to undermine the ability of those who would use terrorism to recruit
new people to carry out such attacks.  This requires ending, or greatly
diminishing, the tremendous anger and hatred toward the United States and
its allies felt, in particular, by many in the Muslim and Arab world.  This
can only be done with prolonged, nonviolent efforts for reconciliation,
justice, and long-term economic development.  It cannot be done through
massive bombing and military attacks.




-more-






Joint Statement- October 11, 2001, Pg 2


As executives of organizations of the Religious Society of Friends
(Quakers), we continue to be guided by our historic testimony concerning
God's call to renounce war and seek peace. We commit ourselves to work and
pray for the time of justice and peace promised by God when "peoples shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; and
nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war
anymore."  (Isaiah 2:4)

Bruce Birchard, General Secretary
Friends General Conference of the Religious Society of Friends

Thomas H. Jeavons, General Secretary
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends

Mary Ellen McNish, General Secretary
American Friends Service Committee

Joe Volk, Executive Secretary
Friends Committee on National Legislation

# # #

The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker organization that
includes people of various faiths who are committed to social justice, peace
and humanitarian service. Its work is based on the belief in the worth of
every person and faith in the power of love to overcome violence and
injustice.







From auntdawn at i1.net  Mon Oct 15 23:49:24 2001
From: auntdawn at i1.net (auntdawn)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:49:24 -0700
Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker Statement in Response to Attacks on Afghanistan
References: <001601c1558e$7ad23cc0$431c56d1@none>
Message-ID: <00a901c155f5$9344e980$1f8b4ad1@pavilion>

Please, Friends, be aware that AFSC is looking for
NEW blankets for Afghanistan

Dawn Rubbert
St. Louis MM
Illinois YM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Skellie" <bertskellie at mindspring.com>
To: "SAYMA server" <sayma at kitenet.net>; "AFM List"
<afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:31 AM
Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker Statement in Response to Attacks on
Afghanistan


| Dear Friends,
|
| In case you haven't seen this.  AFSC is also looking for blankets
for
| Afghanistan.  They can be sent to the High Point Office at 606
Springfield
| Rd., High Point, NC 27263.
|
| Peace,
|
| Bert
|
|
| For Immediate Release  Contact:  Janis D. Shields, (215) 241-7060
|        October 11, 2001     John W. Haigis, (215) 241-7056
|
| JOINT STATEMENT IN RESPONSE
| TO MILITARY ATTACKS ON AFGHANISTAN
|
| PHILADELPHIA, PA ?- We pray at this time for the people of the
United
| States, Afghanistan, and the rest of the world.  We hold in
prayer those
| killed and wounded in the terrorist attacks of September 11,
those being
| killed and wounded by the military strikes on Afghanistan that
began on
| October 7, and all who grieve for them.
|
| We regret the decision by our nation's leaders to launch military
strikes
| against Afghanistan, and we call upon them to halt the bombing
and other
| military attacks.
|
| We recognize the responsibility of the international community to
apprehend
| and try, under international law, those responsible for the
recent terrorist
| attacks.  We urge that such efforts be undertaken as a law
enforcement
| action-not as acts of war-and with great care to avoid the
killing or
| injuring of innocent people.
|
| History teaches us that violence leads to more violence.  We
expect that
| these massive military strikes by missiles and bombers against
this already
| devastated, starving country will almost certainly make it easier
for the
| leaders of this terrorist struggle to recruit more people to
their cause.
| We must break the cycle of escalating violence.
|
| The struggle against terrorism will indeed be long.  To succeed,
it will
| have to undermine the ability of those who would use terrorism to
recruit
| new people to carry out such attacks.  This requires ending, or
greatly
| diminishing, the tremendous anger and hatred toward the United
States and
| its allies felt, in particular, by many in the Muslim and Arab
world.  This
| can only be done with prolonged, nonviolent efforts for
reconciliation,
| justice, and long-term economic development.  It cannot be done
through
| massive bombing and military attacks.
|
|
|
|
| -more-
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Joint Statement- October 11, 2001, Pg 2
|
|
| As executives of organizations of the Religious Society of
Friends
| (Quakers), we continue to be guided by our historic testimony
concerning
| God's call to renounce war and seek peace. We commit ourselves to
work and
| pray for the time of justice and peace promised by God when
"peoples shall
| beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning
hooks; and
| nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
they learn war
| anymore."  (Isaiah 2:4)
|
| Bruce Birchard, General Secretary
| Friends General Conference of the Religious Society of Friends
|
| Thomas H. Jeavons, General Secretary
| Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
|
| Mary Ellen McNish, General Secretary
| American Friends Service Committee
|
| Joe Volk, Executive Secretary
| Friends Committee on National Legislation
|
| # # #
|
| The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker organization
that
| includes people of various faiths who are committed to social
justice, peace
| and humanitarian service. Its work is based on the belief in the
worth of
| every person and faith in the power of love to overcome violence
and
| injustice.
|
|
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association mailing list
| sayma at kitenet.net
| http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma
|



From freepolazzo at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 16 10:52:57 2001
From: freepolazzo at mindspring.com (Free Polazzo)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:52:57 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker Statement in Response to Attacks on
  Afghanistan
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105233.03c68ea0@127.0.0.1>

At 08:49 PM 10/15/2001 -0700, auntdawn wrote:
>Please, Friends, be aware that AFSC is looking for NEW blankets for 
>Afghanistan
>
>Dawn Rubbert
>St. Louis MM
>Illinois YM

Dear Dawn,

I have the actual press release from AFSC 's Emergency Material Aids's 
Director, Carlos Mejia dated 10/9/2001.

It says:        ". . . seeking donations of new or next-to-new clean, 
serviceable blankets...

Justpeace,

Free Polazzo
Anneewakee Creek Worship Group
Douglasville, GA
SAYMA



From nmwhitt at samford.edu  Tue Oct 16 12:15:09 2001
From: nmwhitt at samford.edu (Nancy M. Whitt)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:15:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [saymaListserv] C.O. status
Message-ID: <SIMEON.10110161109.O@nmwhitt.samford.edu>

A colleague at Samford sent this question to me.  Any 
responses, information anyone can help me with will be 
appreciated. N.


Now here's my "etc."  How do Friends respond to the 
18-year-old Selective Service registration, if that's what 
it's called?  Are there options given (conscientious 
objection, non-combattant) or is it just a sign-in?  Could 
you point me to some information on this?  Walker will be 
18 in January and my heart is sick, especially with 
everythng that's going on and who's in charge.


-----------------------------------------
Nancy M. Whitt
Professor of English
Chair, Department of English    
Samford University
Birmingham, AL 35229
Phone: 205-726-2458 Fax: 205-726-2112 E-mail: nmwhitt at samford.edu

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

      Walt Whitman



From bonnipeg at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 18 21:07:12 2001
From: bonnipeg at bellsouth.net (Peggy Bonnington)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:07:12 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] looking for Tri-Cities contacts
Message-ID: <003b01c1583a$6307fd60$abee3cd0@bonnipeg>

Hello Friends ~
I used to have a lot of our individual SAYMA email addresses on hand, but our computer was wiped out by "the big one" right after the terrorist attacks, and we now have a new computer and no email addresses in store other than frequent / regular contacts.  I was able to retrieve the kitenet list address from incoming mail, but I don't even have Mary Calhoun's email address at this point.

I was reminded so this evening when a Friend who has been part of our Clarksville Worship Group emailed from her new place of internship in Johnson City; she's wishing to link up with a meeting in the area, and of course I thought of Tri-Cities ~ but then realized I no longer have all the names and email addresses I did, which I could have passed along to her.

Will Tri-Cities Friends who are on the list please contact me, or can someone pass along a good Friendly contact person who would be near Johnson City?  

Thanks,
Peggy Bonnington

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From pennywright at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 18 21:26:39 2001
From: pennywright at earthlink.net (Penelope Wright)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:26:39 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] looking for Tri-Cities contacts
Message-ID: <01c1583d$19f7bcc0$0afabfa8@oemcomputer>

Mary's email is moriah at preferrred.com phone # 276-628-5852. Penelope Wright
-----Original Message-----
    From: Peggy Bonnington <bonnipeg at bellsouth.net>
    To: sayma at kitenet.net <sayma at kitenet.net>
    Cc: Brenda Karns <KarnsB at apsu.edu>
    Date: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:08 PM
    Subject: [saymaListserv] looking for Tri-Cities contacts
    
    
    Hello Friends ~
    I used to have a lot of our individual SAYMA email addresses on hand, but our computer was wiped out by "the big one" right after the terrorist attacks, and we now have a new computer and no email addresses in store other than frequent / regular contacts.  I was able to retrieve the kitenet list address from incoming mail, but I don't even have Mary Calhoun's email address at this point.
     
    I was reminded so this evening when a Friend who has been part of our Clarksville Worship Group emailed from her new place of internship in Johnson City; she's wishing to link up with a meeting in the area, and of course I thought of Tri-Cities ~ but then realized I no longer have all the names and email addresses I did, which I could have passed along to her.
     
    Will Tri-Cities Friends who are on the list please contact me, or can someone pass along a good Friendly contact person who would be near Johnson City?  
     
    Thanks,
    Peggy Bonnington
     
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From schlitt at world.std.com  Mon Oct 22 15:36:47 2001
From: schlitt at world.std.com (Dan Schlitt)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:36:47 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: A historical analysis of the current crisis
In-Reply-To: <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0110221522420.19672-100000@world.std.com>

I agree with Larry that theuse of "terrorist" in the present context is
not useful. There is nothing more terror inducing than night bombing. This
is something that is attested to by those on the recieving end of such
bombing. That it is true in the present case can be seen from the stream
of refugees fleeing the target areas of this bombing. The terror inducing
effect is clearly recognized by those doing the bombing although they do
not announce it as a purpose of the bombing. 

In the last century the nature and tatics of war have changed. We now have
"total war" where the distinction between combatants and non-combatants is
blurred if not eliminated. 

The term "terrorist" has become a rhetorical device used to call forth an
emotional response and to obscure reality. It has lost any meaning that it
once had. In the interest of plain speaking we need to use more specific
terms. They may require more words to express our meaning but it will help
us keep clear what we are talking about.

/dan

-- 

Dan Schlitt
schlitt at world.std.com





From springmeadow at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 22 16:38:37 2001
From: springmeadow at mindspring.com (Tom Baugh)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:38:37 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: A historical analysis of the current crisis
References: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0110221522420.19672-100000@world.std.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c15b39$87cb5dc0$3caafea9@b2t500b>

Friends:

Perhaps the terms 'criminal behavior' and 'criminal actions' would apply in
both cases.

Tom Baugh
White Oak Cottage

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Schlitt <schlitt at world.std.com>
To: <quaker-spectrum at world.std.com>
Cc: <sayma at kitenet.net>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: A historical analysis of the current crisis


>
> I agree with Larry that theuse of "terrorist" in the present context is
> not useful. There is nothing more terror inducing than night bombing. This
> is something that is attested to by those on the recieving end of such
> bombing. That it is true in the present case can be seen from the stream
> of refugees fleeing the target areas of this bombing. The terror inducing
> effect is clearly recognized by those doing the bombing although they do
> not announce it as a purpose of the bombing.
>
> In the last century the nature and tatics of war have changed. We now have
> "total war" where the distinction between combatants and non-combatants is
> blurred if not eliminated.
>
> The term "terrorist" has become a rhetorical device used to call forth an
> emotional response and to obscure reality. It has lost any meaning that it
> once had. In the interest of plain speaking we need to use more specific
> terms. They may require more words to express our meaning but it will help
> us keep clear what we are talking about.
>
> /dan
>
> --
>
> Dan Schlitt
> schlitt at world.std.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association mailing list
> sayma at kitenet.net
> http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma



From freepolazzo at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 22 17:14:56 2001
From: freepolazzo at mindspring.com (Free Polazzo)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:14:56 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: A historical analysis of the current
  crisis
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0110221522420.19672-100000@world.std.com>
References: <20011012163035.DCGG26647.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.235.56]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022171147.028c8200@127.0.0.1>

At 03:36 PM 10/22/2001 -0400, Dan Schlitt wrote:

>I agree with Larry that theuse of "terrorist" in the present context is
>not useful.
>
>The term "terrorist" has become a rhetorical device used to call forth an
>emotional response and to obscure reality. It has lost any meaning that it
>once had. In the interest of plain speaking we need to use more specific
>terms. They may require more words to express our meaning but it will help
>us keep clear what we are talking about.'



>Dan Schlitt
>schlitt at world.std.com
>


How about this for some  "new definitions"?

Free Polazzo


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(posted by John Gear, MI Greens, 10/17/01

CONFUSED?
Use this handy guide to tell the differences between terrorists and the
U.S. government: by Daniel Solnit, Dissident Voice, October 9, 2001

TERRORISTS:
Supposed leader is the spoiled son of a powerful politician, from
extremely wealthy oil family
US GOVERNMENT:
Supposed leader is the spoiled son of a powerful politician, from
extremely wealthy oil family

TERRORISTS:
Leader has declared a holy war ('Jihad') against his 'enemies'; believes
any nation not with him is against him; believes god is on his side, and
that any means are justified.
US GOVERNMENT:
Leader has declared a holy war ('Crusade') against his 'enemies'; believes
any nation not with him is against him; believes god is on his side, and
that any means are justified.

TERRORISTS:
Supported by extreme fundamentalist religious leaders who preach
hatred, intolerance, subjugation of women, and persecution of non-
believers
US GOVERNMENT:
Supported by extreme fundamentalist religious leaders who preach
hatred, intolerance, subjugation of women, and persecution of non-
believers

TERRORISTS:
Leadership was not elected by a majority of the people in a free and fair
democratic election
US GOVERNMENT:
Leadership was not elected by a majority of the people in a free and fair
democratic election

TERRORISTS:
Kills thousands of innocent civilians, some of them children, in cold
blooded bombings
US GOVERNMENT:
Kills (tens of) thousands of innocent civilians, some of them children,
in cold blooded bombings

TERRORISTS:
Operates through clandestine organization (al Qaeda) with agents in
many countries; uses bombing, assassination, other terrorist tactics
US GOVERNMENT:
Operates through clandestine organization (CIA) with agents in many
countries; uses bombing, assassination, other terrorist tactics

TERRORISTS:
Using war as pretext to clamp down on dissent and undermine civil
liberties
US GOVERNMENT:
Using war as pretext to clamp down on dissent and undermine civil
liberties

TERRORISTS:
Weapon of choice: a three-dollar box cutter
US GOVERNMENT:
Weapon of choice: a billion-dollar B1 bomber
____________________________________________
Daniel Solnit is Executive Director for the Leadership Institute for
Ecology and the Economy, and a supremo with the Sonoma County
Green Party






From nmwhitt at samford.edu  Tue Oct 23 10:22:48 2001
From: nmwhitt at samford.edu (Nancy M. Whitt)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:22:48 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [saymaListserv] Meeting search
Message-ID: <SIMEON.10110230948.J@nmwhitt.samford.edu>

Does anyone have up-to-date info on Quaker meetings/worship 
groups in Auburn, AL or LaGrange, GA?  

N.
-----------------------------------------
Nancy M. Whitt
Professor of English
Chair, Department of English    
Samford University
Birmingham, AL 35229
Phone: 205-726-2458 Fax: 205-726-2112 E-mail: nmwhitt at samford.edu

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

      Walt Whitman



From freepolazzo at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 23 13:41:30 2001
From: freepolazzo at mindspring.com (Free Polazzo)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:41:30 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Meeting search
In-Reply-To: <SIMEON.10110230948.J@nmwhitt.samford.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023134029.02802918@127.0.0.1>

At 09:22 AM 10/23/2001 -0500, Nancy M. Whitt wrote:
>Does anyone have up-to-date info on Quaker meetings/worship
>groups in Auburn, AL or LaGrange, GA?

Hi Nancy and everyone,

Here is a good link for meeting inforamtion.


http://www.quaker.org/meetings.html


Free Polazzo


"In times of change, learners inherit the world, while the learned remain 
beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer 
exists"  (Philosopher and author Eric Hoffer)


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From kcarlyle at juno.com  Thu Oct 25 09:28:49 2001
From: kcarlyle at juno.com (Kim Carlyle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:28:49 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] SAF
Message-ID: <20011025.092857.-3907211.2.kcarlyle@juno.com>

The next issue of Southern Appalachian Friend will be devoted to our
Peace Testimony. Please submit articles, letters to the editor, news of
your MM or WG, whatever,  to SAFeditor at SAYMA.org by 11/23/2001. 
________________________________________________________________
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From nmwhitt at samford.edu  Thu Oct 25 10:26:55 2001
From: nmwhitt at samford.edu (Nancy M. Whitt)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:26:55 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [saymaListserv] Social Justice Issue of Edinburgh Review
Message-ID: <SIMEON.10110250955.G@nmwhitt.samford.edu>

This is from a British woman, whose poem "Jeremiah's Wife" 
was published in an issue of "Friendly Woman". N.

Dear poetic, artistic and spiritually-minded friends -

I have a long sequence of poems in the current edition of 
the Edinburgh Review. Called Eve Etc., they're poems in the 
voices of women of the Old Testament era: Eve, Lilith, 
Noah's wife, Lot's wife, Sarah, Potiphar's wife,Miriam, 
Joshua's mother, Delilah, Naomi, Bathsheba, the Queen of 
Sheba, Jezebel, Jeremiah's wife, Hosea's wife, and Eve 
again with a premonition of a prophet to come who might 
look them all straight in the eye. The poems are 
beautifully displayed and I feel proud of them - they came 
one by one over a period of months, and I've written no 
poems a tenth as good since.

I'd love to send a free copy to each of you but can't, so 
the best I can do is tell you that The Edinburgh Review 
costs £5.99 a copy, the theme of this issue is Theology and 
Justice and it's a rich issue ranging from John Knox to 
Richard Holloway, Jaques Derrida to Edwin Morgan.

love and peace, Alison.


Edinburgh Review's e-mail address is
Edinburgh.Review at ed.ac.uk
and the post mail is 22a Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LN, tel 0131 651
1415.
Alison.

--- End Forwarded Message ---


-----------------------------------------
Nancy M. Whitt
Professor of English
Chair, Department of English    
Samford University
Birmingham, AL 35229
Phone: 205-726-2458 Fax: 205-726-2112 E-mail: nmwhitt at samford.edu

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

      Walt Whitman



From freepolazzo at mindspring.com  Thu Oct 25 20:57:48 2001
From: freepolazzo at mindspring.com (Free Polazzo)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:57:48 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Please send a letter of support to .....
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025205626.03622df8@127.0.0.1>

Hi Friends,

Someone who walks the talk!    A real HERO!  Let's send our support to him, 
as way opens!

Justpeace,

Free

>From: Kathy Bergen <KBergen at afsc.org>
>To: Kathy Bergen <KBergen at afsc.org>
>Subject: Please send a letter of support to .....
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:44:46 -0400
>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
>
>
>......Yair Halper.  Yair is one of the growing number of Israelis who have
>chosen to take a CO (Conscientious Objector) stand by refusing to serve in
>the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).  He and others are a glimmer of hope and
>inspiration for me as I see what is happening today, both in Israel and
>Palestine, as well as in Afghanistan.
>
>One of the things we can all do is support these young people who have taken
>this courageous stand.  It is not an easy thing for them to do anywhere,
>including in Israel, where there is no 'legal' room for taking a CO
>position.
>
>I was so moved by the Yair's statement below.  Many of you will know Jeff
>Halper.  Jeff and Salim Shawamreh were in the US for a month-long home
>demolitions speaking tour I organized in January, 2001.
>
>I talked to Shoshana (Yair's mother yesterday), who told me that Yair is
>holding up well so far, but would really appreciate letters of support.
>Yair was moved to Israeli Military Prison # 6 a few days ago.  You may write
>Yair at the address given below or send your letter by e-mail to Shoshana's
>address:  shoshanahal at hotmail.com
>
>In addition, please write letters to Israeli officials, as suggested below.
>You can go to the home page of New Profile www.newprofile.org to get more
>information about them (there is a link to the English description) or you
>can click on the active link below.
>
>PLEASE SEND TO YOUR E-MAIL LIST!
>
>Kathy Bergen
>
>
>Kathy Bergen
>National Coordinator
>Middle East Peace Education
>AFSC, 1501 Cherry St.
>Philadelphia, PA, USA  19102-1479
>tel: (215) 241-7019
>fax: (215) 241-7177
>e-mail:  kbergen at afsc.org
>
>
>*****************************************
>
>17 Oct. 2001
>PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>CO Yair Halper, 18, has been sentenced today (17 Oct.) to 28 days of
>imprisonment and is now being transferred to Military Prison No. 4 in
>Tzrifin after refusing to enlist in the Israeli army. It is likely that he
>will refuse to wear military uniform in prison and will be held in the
>isolation ward of the prison (which is not solitary confinement, but where
>there is a history of mistreatment of prisoners by wardens).
>
>Following is a statement Yair has made before going to prison, describing
>his conscientious stand:
>--------------------------------------
>
>Shalom,
>
>My name is Yair Halper and I am a conscientious objector to military
>service. On Wednesday the 17 October 2001, I will be incarcerated for my
>beliefs.
>
>I consider myself a pacifist, and I am using that word only for the lack of
>a better one. I am only 18, still a child (at least in my eyes). I keep
>asking myself what the hell do I know about pacifism? My beliefs were never
>really tested. But still, "pacifist" is the closest word I could find to
>describe and define what I am.
>
>As a pacifist I object to any army universally, no matter where it is, who
>operates it or what purposes it serves. Furthermore, I object to service in
>the Israel Defence Forces in particular for political reasons. I will never
>carry a weapon and I refuse to wear a uniform or any symbol that
>represents, or that will in any way label me, as part of the army.
>
>I see the Israeli army as a mechanism that hosts everything I oppose in its
>ranks. Every soldier contributes in his/her way to the perpetuation of not
>only the complete disregard for Palestinian human rights, but also the
>continuing fortification and confirmation of Military Israel.
>
>The army brainwashes its soldiers to receive a brutal and inhumane
>mentality and makes the single soldier lose his/her individuality. I will
>not join a system that does not value human rights and that continues to
>rape, control and occupy the Palestinian territories.
>
>As naive and cliched as it sounds, I know of only one way to live my life
>and that is by being true to myself, holding fast to my beliefs and
>principles and living by what they dictate to me.
>
>Yes, I am willing and will be proud to sit in jail for what I see right.
>
>As Dostoevsky said: "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged
>by entering its
>prisons"
>
>I would appreciate any support, be it by letters, phone calls or any way
>you see fit.
>
>
>Peace!
>Yair Halper.
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>
>RECOMMENDED ACTION
>==================
>Please send appeals on Yair Halper's behalf (a sample letter appears at the
>end of this message) to Israel's Minister of Defence, with copies to the
>commander of the prison where he is held and to other authorities. Such
>letters are especially effective in preventing mistreatment in prison, but
>they need to reach their destination as soon as possible. This is why it is
>recommended to send your letters by fax.
>
>In your letters mention also Leonid Kressner (military ID 7156547), an
>18-year-old pacifist CO, is now expecting trial by military tribunal (or,
>if you are willing, send another letter on his behalf). Leonid is held in
>the isolation ward of Military Prison No. 4 in Tzrifin, due to his refusal
>to wear military uniform in prison. There is real danger that Leonid
>Kressner will be mistreated by military authorities in the isolation ward
>of Military Prison No. 4. In addition, a tribunal may give Leonid a
>relatively long prison sentence.
>
>Here are the relevant addresses and fax numbers:
>
>Mr. Binyamin Ben-Eliezer,
>Minister of Defence
>Ministry of Defence
>37 Kaplan St.
>Tel-Aviv 61909
>Israel
>e-mail: sar at mod.gov.il
>Fax: ++972-3-696-27-57 / ++972-3-691-69-40 / ++972-3-691-79-15
>
>Commander of Military Prison No. 6
>Military Prison No. 6
>Military postal number 02507, IDF
>Israel
>Fax: ++972-3-957-52-76
>
>Addresses of additional military and government officials, as well as those
>of some Israeli media, to which you can send copies of your appeals, can be
>found at this web address:
>         http://www.newprofile.org/english/news.html#addresses
>
>In addition, you can send letters of support to Yair himself at the
>following address:
>
>Yair Halper
>Military ID 7237405
>Military Prison No. 6
>Military postal number 02507, IDF
>Israel
>
>Finally, please circulate this message and subsequent follow-ups widely
>through e-mail, websites and in other ways.
>
>
>SAMPLE LETTER
>=============
>Below is a sample of a letter protesting the imprisonment of CO Yair
>Halper. You can use this letter as is, but it is always better to use your
>own formulation.
>
>
>Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>It has been brought to my knowledge that Yair Halper (military ID 7237405),
>a conscientious objector to military service, is being held in Military
>Prison No. 6.
>
>The imprisonment of conscientious objectors like Yair Halper is a violation
>of international law, of basic human rights and of plain morals. I
>therefore call for his immediate and unconditional  release from prison
>without threat of repeated imprisonment.
>
>You can also call Yair's parents at ++972-2-6248252.
>
>Finally, I would like to point out that, together with many other people
>around the world, I will continue to follow the case of Yair Halper and
>cases of other conscientious objectors closely in the future.
>
>Sincerely,
>...
>
>
>
>Thank you for your attention and action,
>Sergeiy Sandler - New Profile.