From bright_crow at mindspring.com  Tue Mar  5 10:24:48 2002
From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Michael Austin Shell)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:24:48 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Colombian Crisis & AFSC's PAZ! Peace for Colombia Campaign
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305092405.009ef640@pop.mindspring.com>

Dear Friends,

I spoke in Meeting this past First Day about the escalation of fighting in 
Colombia and, particularly, about the US intrusion of $1.3 billion in 
"anti-drug" aid, 80% of which has gone to the military.

Colombia's president is now labeling the FARC rebels as "terrorists" and 
glancing meaningfully our way.  I do not condone the violence of the FARC; 
nor do I condone the government's violence or that of the paramilitary 
groups which it supports.  My concern is the people.

2.1 million people have been displaced within the borders of Colombia, and 
40 to 60% of them are Afro-Colombian or indigenous people.  Now that the 
government has broken off peace talks and begun bombing the demilitarized 
zone, estimates are that another 100,000 refugees will flee to surrounding 
countries (which do not have the resources to help them).

Please visit the website for AFSC's Latin American/Caribbean Peacebuilding 
Program <http://www.afsc.org/lac/> and look at the links about Colombia, 
especially

PAZ!
<http://www.afsc.org/emap/projects/colombia/Default.htm>

and the document, "Talking Sense on Colombia," A resource on militarism in 
Colombia.  (Printer-friendly PDF document, 228 Kb. You will need Adobe 
Reader to view it.)

In particular, please look at the link for the National Mobilization on 
Colombia <http://www.afsc.org/lac/colmob200202.htm> which will take place 
in D.C. on April 19-22nd.

AFSC's Colombia Peach Mobilization Team has been on the ground there since 
2000.  Presently they are requesting material aid, especially for the schools.

[You might also want to look also at Responding to Basic Human Need in the 
Face of Disaster, a K-5 curriculum about disasters and emergencies 
<http://www.afsc.org/emap/responddisaster.htm>.]

If you want more information, please contact the program staff:

Angela Berryman
phone: 215-241-7162
fax: 215-241-7177
e-mail: aberryman at afsc.org

Natalia Cardona
phone: 215-241-7162
fax: 215-241-7177
e-mail: ncordona at afsc.org

Thanks for your attention.

Blessed Be,
Michael.




From moriah at preferred.com  Fri Mar  8 11:06:28 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:06:28 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: The Nation on CSPAN
Message-ID: <001001c1c6dd$a709e480$0500a8c0@oem>

f/Friends,

I thought you might find this interesting.

Mary Calhoun
Foxfire FM

----- Original Message -----
From: The Nation Magazine <emailnation at thenation.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: The Nation on CSPAN


| Dear EmailNation Subscriber,
|
| Last week, The Nation Institute staged a public Town Hall meeting on
civil
| liberties after September 11th at the Society for Ethical Cultures in
New
| York City.
|
| We're thrilled to report that more than 1,000 people turned out to
hear a
| lively discussion with Molly Ivins, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Nadine
| Strossen, Hussein Ibish and Elaine Jones, moderated by Phil Donahue,
and
| enriched by a series of audience questions. Though we hated to turn
people
| away, we took the tremendous response as an encouraging sign that many
in
| this country are deeply concerned with the direction that the US war
on
| terrorism has taken.
|
| And we're delighted to announce that all those who missed the
proceedings
| live can see the event in its entirety this Saturday evening, March 9,
on
| CSPAN during the American Perspectives block, which begins at 8pm.
|
| Our event directly follows a speech from that morning by Donald
Rumsfeld
| (a curious lead-in) so they can't tell us exactly when it will begin.
But
| CSPAN predicts that we should air at approximately 9pm if Rumsfeld
doesn't
| speak much longer than expected. (And you can tune it at 8 for a
| minute-to-minute schedule.)
|
| THE NATION INSTITUTE PRESENTS:
| CIVIL LIBERTIES AFTER SEPTEMBER 11
| MARCH 9, CSPAN'S AMERICAN PERSPECTIVES, 9:00pm EST
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-





From lingle at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar  8 17:04:36 2002
From: lingle at bellsouth.net (Larry Ingle)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:04:36 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fox pamphlet reprinted for the first time, ever
Message-ID: <20020308210557.GZWU14370.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@[208.60.234.176]>

I want to let Friends to know that To the Parliament of the Comon-Wealth of
England.  Fifty nine Particulars laid down for the Regulating things,
originally published in the crucial year 1659, has just been republished for
the first time by the Quaker Universalist Fellowship.  The year represented
the high water mark of the Quaker appeal to the government. The most radical
words that George Fox ever penned for publication were omitted from the
collection of his pamphlets done after his death, and no one since has
brought it out.  Not only scholars but those who want to see Fox's
unvarnished best political writing are thus indebted to the Fellowship.

With an introduction by myself, a "Preface" and explanatory footnotes by
Rhoda Gilman, its editor, it makes the full pamphlet, slightly edited to
"keep the changes to a minimum," available to the present generation for the
first time in nearly 350 years.  It has 21 pages, exclusive of the four page
"Introduction."

Single copies may be obtained from the Quaker Universalist Fellowship, 121
Watson Mill Road, Landenberg, PA, 19350, for $3.75 with postage and handling
costing an additional 75 cents, for a total of $4.50; meetings get a 20%
discount.

Good reading.

For what it's worth.

Larry Ingle
Chattanooga Meeting (SAYMA)


From kcarlyle at juno.com  Sun Mar 10 16:24:53 2002
From: kcarlyle at juno.com (Kim Carlyle)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:24:53 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Southern Appalachian Friend
Message-ID: <20020310.152506.-509297.3.kcarlyle@juno.com>

...I told them...that I lived in the virtue of that life and power that
took away the occasion of all wars...
                   --George Fox

...May we look upon our treasures and the furniture of our houses and the
garments in which we array ourselves and try whether the seeds of war
have any nourishment in these our possessions or not...
                   --John Woolman 

...the very trimmings of the vain would clothe all the naked ones...
                   --William Penn

Please submit articles, poetry, news, announcements, whatever, for the
next issue of our yearly meeting's newsletter. The theme is "What is a
Quaker lifestyle in today's world." (But please don't let yourself be
limited by the theme.)

Also, we would be happy to print Friends' accounts of the recent peace
conference at Chattanooga MM.

Submissions by 04/01/2002 would be appreciated.   
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From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 12 09:05:17 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:05:17 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] aa>>  FCNL job openings
Message-ID: <015301c1c9c6$b535e400$0500a8c0@oem>

The SAYMA office has received --

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Announcement
------------------------------------------------------------------------
from Friends Committee on National Legislation
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Two Positions Open
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Admin Data Entry Ass't & Legislative Sec'y (lobbyist)
Washington DC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(from a 3-8-02 flyer from FCNL)

For more information contact the SAYMA office

        276-628-5852
        (machine; in-person phone hours Tu-Th 5-7:30pm)
        AdminAsst at sayma.org

or the FCNL website

        http://www.fcnl.org/announce.htm

~~~end~~~
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From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 12 19:17:25 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:17:25 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 134 clerk's computer woes
Message-ID: <00d201c1ca1e$3cf7ffc0$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 134
SAYMA Clerk's computer
had multiple difficulties
.....................................................
during last 6 weeks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(from 3-12-02 phone call with Sharon Annis, Clerk of SAYMA)


<|>    If you had (or attempted) e-mail communication with Sharon Annis
between February 1st and the present, please note -- her computer system
has suffered from on-and-off software, virus, and internet service
provider problems.

<|>    If you sent e-mail to Sharon during this time and didn't get an
answer, please contact her at your earliest convenience to sort out what
got lost and what got through.  (See below)

<|>    If you received e-mail from her that carried a virus, she sends
her apologies, and "please forgive."

<|>    The computer is in the repair shop, so Sharon is only receiving
phone calls and postal-mail at present:

            869-A West Outer Drive
            Oak Ridge TN 37830

            865/ 483-8783

<|>    Thanks for your patience and help!

~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 031202 ~~~~~~

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Thank you!  ^o^
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From moriah at preferred.com  Fri Mar 15 12:54:50 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:54:50 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Glenthorne Q Guest Hse & Conf Cent, England
Message-ID: <016c01c1cc55$025e3760$0500a8c0@oem>

The message below was received at the SAYMA office.  Some beautiful
photos have been deleted to make the message smaller for posting.  If
you'd like to have the original (it _would_ make a nice poster!) the
file is still on the office computer.

^o^
\_/

Mary Calhoun
Admin Assist, SAYMA

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Yates <Michris.Gigg at tesco.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: Glenthorne Quaker Guest House and Conference Centre, England


| Dear Friend,
|
| Please forgive this unsolicited email!
|
| Let me introduce myself.  I am a Quaker who is a member of the
management
| committee of Glenthorne Quaker Guest House and Conference Centre in
Grasmere
| in the English Lake District.
|
| We have produced the attached Word Document with a view to encouraging
more
| American Friends to visit Glenthorne (some already do!).  You will see
that
| the document refers Friends on to our website.
|
| What I would hope is that you might be able to pass this email
attachment on
| to your constituent meetings and to individual Friends.  Perhaps you
would
| also be able to print it as a poster to be displayed for us.
|
| If you know of any appropriate sites to which our
| website could be attached, perhaps you could let me know.
|
| We are grateful to you for any help you are able to give us.
|
| With best wishes,
|
| Michael Yates
|



From moriah at preferred.com  Fri Mar 15 14:25:38 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:25:38 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Eisenhower, 1953
Message-ID: <016e01c1cc55$04c21800$0500a8c0@oem>

f/Friends,

A timely message from the electronic grapevine.

The original sender said, "To mark today's 50th wedding anniversary of
Nancy and Ronald Reagan, may I share an editorial that appeared last
month in The Guardian in England. They simply reprinted a speech by a
former American (Republican) President, General Dwight David Eisenhower.
He said these words in l953. It appeared without comment on February 15,
2002."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4356389,00.html

^o^
\_/

Mary Calhoun
Foxfire FM

----- Original Message -----

"The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few clear
precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs. First: no people on
earth can be held, as a people, to be an enemy, for all humanity shares
the common hunger for peace and fellowship and justice. Second: no
nation's security and well-being can be lastingly achieved in isolation
but only in effective cooperation with fellow-nations. Third: any
nation's right to a form of government and an economic system of its own
choosing is
inalienable. Fourth: any nation's attempt to dictate other nations their
form of government is indefensible. And fifth: a nation's hope of
lasting peace cannot be firmly based upon any race in armaments but
rather upon just relations and honest
understanding with all other nations.

"In the light of these principles the citizens of the United States
defined the way they proposed to follow, through the aftermath of war,
toward true peace. This way was faithful to the spirit that inspired the
United Nations: to prohibit strife, to relieve tensions, to banish
fears. This way was to control and to reduce armaments. This way was to
allow all nations to devote their energies and resources to the great
and good tasks of healing the war's wounds, of clothing and feeding and
housing the needy, of perfecting a just political life, of enjoying the
fruits of their own free toil.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.  This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one
modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30
cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000
population.  It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50
miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter with a half
million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes
that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This, I repeat, is the
best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This
is not a way of life at all, in any true sense.  Under the cloud of
threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."






From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 19 18:42:52 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:52 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 136 Rep Meeting "e-registration"
Message-ID: <012901c1cf9e$35ab84a0$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 136
Information needed to register electronically
for Spring Rep Meeting ...
..........................................................
but you still need a registration packet!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


<|>  You may register by phone or e-mail for the Spring Rep Meeting
scheduled for April 6th in Nashville TN. (Main session:  9:00 am Central
time)

<|>  Registration deadline is March 29. Everyone coming must be
registered.  The person to register with is:

<|>  Penelope Wright -- 1106 Caldwell Lane, Nashville TN 37204
            615-298-1385
            pennywright at earthlink.net

<|>  You will need to lay your hands on a registration packet even if
you register by e-mail or
phone; it contains maps, directions, agendas, and other important
information.

<|>  If you need a packet, please --
-- check IMP^o^ 135, to see if one was mailed to you, or ...
-- contact a person who was listed, or ...
-- contact your meeting clerk, or ...
-- contact the SAYMA office at 276-628-5852 [>>new area code !!<<],
AdminAsst at sayma.org

<|>  Meanwhile, IMP^o^ bulletins 135 will give you partial information.

<|>  Info needed for Rep Meeting registration:

1.  If you need childcare please notify Penelope right away.  Childcare
is very limited, and she will need to hear from you right away.

2.  Your name and address

3.  Purpose for attending:
    (a) Rep Meeting, M&N, Yearly Mtg Planning, other
    (b) if child -- please give name(s), age(s) and
            special needs of child(ren) requiring care.

4.  Year your term ends (of the appointment that brings you to Rep
Meeting)

5.  Meeting or Worship Group name

6.  Your contact info:  area code + phone number (& e-mail address if
you
have one).  If giving both, please indicate the preferred means of
communication

7.  Hospitality needed (place to sleep & light breakfast provided by
local
f/Friend):

    (a)  Please indicate people who can share a room...
    (b)  ...& those who can share a bed.
    (c)  Friday night for (#) ____ people.  Expected time of arrival:
______
    (d)  Saturday night for (#) ____ people.  Expected time of arrival:
____
    (e)  Please say who is arriving when,
            if the folks above are not all traveling together.
    (f)   Any special needs? (Vegetarian, vegan, special diet, house
without
            stairs, hills, wood smoke, pets, or a child-proof house,
etc. ...?)

8.  If you ask for hospitality, and your request hasn't been
acknowledged by April 2nd, please contact Penelope (615-298-1385,
pennywright at earthlink.net) if you want reassurance!

9.  Cancellation:  after registering, if you are unable to attend for
any
reason, please notify Penelope as soon as possible at 615-298-1385,
pennywright at earthlink.net

~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ postdate 031902 ~~~~~~

________________________________
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From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 19 20:28:58 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:28:58 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: The Nation Seeks Circulation Director
Message-ID: <01c001c1cfa9$2651c400$0500a8c0@oem>

f/Friends,

I normally wouldn't forward a non-Quaker job advertisement onto our YM
list-server, but this seemed like it might appeal to the gifts of
someone among us who needs work.

Mary Calhoun
Foxfire FM

----- Original Message -----
From: The Nation Magazine <emailnation at thenation.com>
To: The Nation Magazine <emailnation at laser.sparklist.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: The Nation Seeks Circulation Director


| Dear EmailNation Subscriber,
|
| The Nation is looking to fill one of its most important staff
positions.
| Please pass this announcement along to anyone you know who may be
| qualified and interested.
|
| NATION SEEKS CIRCULATION DIRECTION
|
| The Nation seeks an experienced circulation professional to assume
| bottom-line budget responsibility for our circulation-driven
publication.
| Candidates must demonstrate excellent marketing, analytical, and
| fulfillment skills and possess a proven track record. The
responsibilities
| include managing a small staff, supervising annual ABC audit and
| overseeing multiple sources of revenue, including direct mail,
internet
| sales, newsstand, renewals and billing. Knowledge of EDS system
helpful.
| Competitive salary and excellent benefits. Minorities and people of
color
| are strongly encouraged to apply.  Email resume and cover letter to:
| info at thenation.com or mail or fax to Circ Search, The Nation, 33
Irving
| Place, 8th Floor, New York, NY 10003; fax 212-982-7193. NO PHONE CALLS
| PLEASE.
|
| Thanks for passing this on.
|
| Best Regards,
| Peter Rothberg
| Associate Publisher, The Nation




From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 19 16:53:10 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:53:10 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Quaker Teens for Peace from BLS PHOTOS
Message-ID: <012601c1cf9e$1bcebac0$0500a8c0@oem>

Dear f/Friends,

For those whose e-mail software can decipher them, there are two photos in the message below. 

^o^
\_/

Mary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Barbara Luetke-Stahlman 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:54 PM
Subject: Quaker Teens for Peace from BLS PHOTOS


 
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From moriah at preferred.com  Tue Mar 19 21:22:36 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:22:36 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 135 Rep Mtg ...mailbox near you!
Message-ID: <020b01c1cfad$bdcff960$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 135
Coming to a mailbox near you!
Rep Meeting registration packets for --
...........................................................
-- April 6th, hosted by Nashville FM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


<|>  Registration packets for Spring Rep Meeting (Saturday, April 6,
2002, 9:00 am Central), hosted by Nashville (TN) Friends Meeting, have
been mailed to the f/Friends listed below, and should arrive soon.

<|>  Anyone can participate in Representative Meetings; those attending
represent the Yearly Meeting.  Each meeting is encouraged to send
someone.

<|>  The deadline to register is March 29; you may register by e-mail,
mail, or phone.  The person to register with is:

<|>  Penelope Wright
            1106 Caldwell Lane, Nashville TN 37204
            615-298-1385
            pennywright at earthlink.net

<|>  Please see IMP^o^ 136 to find out what information to supply
by e-mail or phone in order to register.

<|>  You'll need to lay hands on the rest of the packet even if you
register electronically (it contains directions, map, agendas, and other
important information). If you aren't on the list below, please
contact --
        -- one of the other people listed
            (4 people can register on one form), or ...
        -- the SAYMA office
            AdminAsst at sayma.org
            276-628-5852 ( >>note the new area code!!<< )

<|>  If you should have been among the names below, and aren't, please
let the SAYMA office know.  Packets have been sent to f/Friends recorded
in the office as --
        -- clerks/contacts for their meetings/worship groups
        -- SAYMA representatives
        -- members of SAYMA Ministry & Nurture and
               Yearly Meeting Planning Committees
        -- clerks of SAYMA committees
        -- SAYMA Clerks and Treasurer
        -- SAF editors and SAYMA historian
        -- SAYF Admin Asst and Atlanta FM secretary

<|>  If you're named below and don't need to be, please let the office
know that too!

<|>  Mailed to, in meeting order...

Michael   Allison . . . . . . .  Anneewakee
Free   Polazzo . . . . . . .  Anneewakee
Peter   Buck . . . . . . . . . .  Asheville
Margaret   Farmer . . . . . . .  Asheville
Valerie   Hogstrom . . . . . . .  Asheville
Harold   Hogstrom . . . . . . .  Asheville
Jeannette   Reid . . . . . . .  Asheville
Betsey   Collins . . . . . . .  Athens
Jean   Gowen . . . . . . .  Athens
Janice   Pulliam . . . . . . .  Athens
Kathy   Burke . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Susan   Cozzens . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Mary Ann   Downey . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Priscilla   Ewen . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Carol   Gray . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Bill   Holland . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Kathy   Johnson . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Rich   Klima . . . . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Tom   McGuigan . . . . . . .  Atlanta
DeCourcy   Squire . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Perry   Treadwell . . . . . . .  Atlanta
Tom   Brawner . . . . . . . . . .  Auburn
Pat Acevedo   Boggs . . . . . . .  Berea
Dave   Harmon . . . . . . . . . .  Berea
Therese   Hildebrand . . . . . . .  Berea
Tim   Lamm . . . . . . . . . .  Berea
Carol   Lamm . . . . . . . . . .  Berea
Paul   Franklin . . . . . . . . . .  Birmingham
Connie   LaMonte . . . . . . .  Birmingham
John   Geary . . . . . . . . . .  Boone
Michael   Harless . . . . . . .  Boone
Steve   Meredith . . . . . . .  Bowling Green
Bob   French . . . . . . . . . .  Brevard
Jane   Goldthwait . . . . . . .  Celo
Joyce   Johnson . . . . . . .  Celo
Bob   McGahey . . . . . . .  Celo
Rachel   Weir . . . . . . . . . .  Celo
Steve   Mininger . . . . . . .  Charleston
Charles   Schade . . . . . . .  Charleston
Nancy   Beecher . . . . . . .  Chattanooga
Larry   Ingle . . . . . . . . . .  Chattanooga
Becky   Ingle . . . . . . . . . .  Chattanooga
Cindy   McAfee . . . . . . .  Chattanooga
Bill   Reynolds . . . . . . . . . .  Chattanooga
Peggy   Bonnington . . . . . . .  Clarksville
Martha   Ingel . . . . . . .  Clemson
Stan   Spraker . . . . . . .  Cleveland
John   Spraker . . . . . . .  Cleveland
Sallie   Prugh . . . . . . .  Columbia
Diana   Lalani . . . . . . .  Cookeville
Gladys   Draudt . . . . . . .  Crossville
Dennis   Gregg . . . . . . .  Crossville
Mary   Calhoun . . . . . . .  Foxfire
Beth   Keiter . . . . . . . . . .  Foxfire
Edith   Patrick . . . . . . . . .   Foxfire
Christopher   Berg . . . . . . .  Greenville
Matt   Harmon . . . . . . .  Greenville
Judy   Guerry . . . . . . .  Huntsville
Kristi    Estes . . . . . . .  Memphis
Ron   McDonald . . . . . . .  Memphis
Susan   Penn . . . . . . .  Memphis
Wib   Smith . . . . . . .  Murfreesboro
Pam   Beziat . . . . . . .  Nashville
Thais   Carr . . . . . . .  Nashville
Kit   Potter . . . . . . .  . . . Nashville
Penelope   Wright . . . . . . .  Nashville
Susan   Carlyle . . . . . . .  New Moon
Kim   Carlyle . . . . . . .  New Moon
Daryl   Bergquist . . . . . . .  Royal
Jane   Price . . . . . . . . . .  Sevier County
Lyn   Hutchinson . . . . . . .  Sewanee
Suzanne   Gernandt . . . . . . .  Swannanoa
John   Gernandt . . . . . . .  Swannanoa
Kathryn   Parke . . . . . . .  Swannanoa
Bob   Welsh . . . . . . .  Swannanoa
Bettina   Wolff . . . . . . .  Swannanoa
Diana   Day . . . . . . .  Unaffiliated
Tom   Baugh . . . . . . .  Wayfarer's
Sharon   Annis . . . . . . .  West Knoxville
Lee   Hoefer . . . . . . .  . . . West Knoxville
Missy   Ivie . . . . . . . . . .  West Knoxville
Kendall   Ivie . . . . . . . . . .  West Knoxville
Turtle   MacDermott . . . . . . .  West Knoxville
Kathleen   Mavournin . . . . . . .  West Knoxville

~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ postdate 031902 ~~~~~~

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From moriah at preferred.com  Mon Mar 25 08:36:49 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:36:49 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: American Friends Service Committee position available
Message-ID: <00c601c1d3fc$cbe84220$0500a8c0@oem>

Dear f/Friends,

The job opening notice below came the SAYMA office.

Mary Calhoun
Admin Asst, SAYMA

----- Original Message -----
From: Valerie Barlow <VBarlow at afsc.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: American Friends Service Committee position available


| Dear Friends:
|
| The Southeastern Regional Office (SERO) of the American Friends
Service
| Committee (AFSC) has a position opening for an Associate Regional
Director.
| Please find the position announcement attached. We would appreciate
your
| circulation of this information among Friends and others who would be
| interested.
|
|  <<assrdadv2.doc>>
|
|  In peace,
|
| Valerie L. Barlow
| Regional Director
| Southeastern Region
|
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From moriah at preferred.com  Mon Mar 25 09:32:36 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:32:36 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: The Lollapalooza of the Left
Message-ID: <031101c1d40c$af540620$0500a8c0@oem>

Something to grin about? -- and in Texas, no less!!

". . .   Hightower admitted that he worried about whether he would prove
right one of the best lines of Oklahoma populist Fred Harris: 'You can't
have a mass movement without the masses.'  But the organizers needn't
have worried. The masses were ready for this movement.  . . .  close to
7,000 rebels against the consensus  . . .   If there was a theme for the
day, it may well have been that dissent is back in fashion.    . . .
game booths allowed kids to toss a ball and knock down a nuclear
missile. Workshops took on everything from radioactive waste to
genetically-modified food. . . . "  (The Nation article by John Nichols)

In Atlanta in May -- website says ticket price is $5/adult.



Mary Calhoun
Foxfire FM

----- Original Message -----
From: The Nation Magazine <emailnation at thenation.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: The Lollapalooza of the Left


| Dear EmailNation Subscriber,
|
| After a full day of speeches, music, games, organic food, workshops,
| talking and general carousing, singer Michelle Shocked strapped on her
| guitar and took the stage for the performance that would finish the
first
| stop on the Rolling Thunder Down-Home Democracy Tour.
|
| Looking out at the faces of several thousand cheering Texans, the
woman
| who has penned hits such as "Anchorage" broke into a huge grin and
told
| the crowd,  "We just didn't know what we were going to find when we
showed
| up this morning. We didn't know if you all were going to show up. But
I
| think it's been an unqualified success."
|
| Shocked got no argument from the crowd, or from organizers of what may
| well be the most unlikely scheme to stir the nation's populist
sentiment
| since someone suggested pulling together a protest outside the WTO
summit
| in Seattle.
|
| For a full report on yesterday's day of Rolling Thunder in Austin
| featuring Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Jim Hightower, Molly
Ivins,
| Granny D, and 7,000 energized Texans, read the latest installment of
John
| Nichols' Online Beat.
|
| Currently available at:
|
| http://www.thenation.com
|
| Yesterday was just the first stop on a projected 12-city tour across
the
| United States.  The idea of Rolling Thunder is to foster connection
among
| the myriad progressive initiatives mobilized across the US every
day --
| and have some fun in the process.
|
| ...Rolling Thunder site for information on future tour stops...
|
| http://rollingthundertour.org
|
| Best Regards,
| Peter Rothberg
| Associate Publisher
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From moriah at preferred.com  Mon Mar 25 10:50:23 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:50:23 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 138 Swann Min re conscience campaign
Message-ID: <031501c1d40c$b4a20e60$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 138
Swannanoa Valley Friends Meeting
joins Campaign for Conscience
...............................................................
3-10-02 Minute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(from a 3-11-02 message from Bob Welsh, one of the organizers of SAYMA's
Feb 1-2 Peace Consultation in Chattanooga)


<|>    Here's an outgrowth of our peace testimony gathering -- I'm so
proud that our Meeting has decided to join the Campaign of Conscience
for the Iraqi People. -- Bob

<|>    The following Minute (or resolution) was adopted by Swannanoa
Valley Friends (Quaker) Meeting on Sunday, March 10, 2002:

<|>    As Friends (Quakers) we hold to faith in the worth and dignity of
        every person as a child of God.  For the 350 years of our
existence
        we have rejected war as a means of promoting security or
advancing
        the cause of the good and have devoted our energies to working
        for justice and making peace among persons and nations.

<|>    Now, in March of 2002, we believe the country of Iraq to be in
        danger of imminent attack from the United States.  We must
        therefore speak out and act in behalf of the men, women and
        especially the children of Iraq who have already suffered so
much
        during the past decade from living under a dictatorship and from
        harsh economic sanctions that have severely restricted the
        availability of food, medicine and clean water there.

<|>    Today we add the name of Swannanoa Valley Friends Meeting to the
        list of more than 150 organizations and faith communities in the
        U. S. who have joined the Campaign of Conscience for the Iraqi
        People.  With this we include a monetary donation to the
Campaign
        to be used to purchase materials such as medical supplies and
water
        purification systems which will be sent to Iraq to benefit its
people.

<|>    We also call on our government to turn away from plans to make
        war on Iraq;  to lift its devastating economic blockade of Iraq;
and
        to work legally and diplomatically to oppose the country's
dictatorship
        while working to relieve the suffering of its people.

<|>    Suzanne Gernandt, Clerk
        Swannanoa Valley Friends Meeting

<|>    Note:  The Campaign of Conscience for the Iraqi People is a
        nationwide effort of faith-based communities to send
humanitarian
        aid to the people of Iraq and to lobby for dialogue rather than
war
        between the U. S. and Iraq.  For more information, see the
website
        www.afsc.org.

 ~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 032502 ~~~~~~

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From moriah at preferred.com  Mon Mar 25 10:50:52 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:50:52 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 139 Celo seeks mtghse book
Message-ID: <031601c1d40c$b63c8480$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 139
*The Quaker Houses of Britain*
...copy sought by Celo FM...
..........................................................
...to borrow
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(from a 3-24-02 message from Jane Goldthwait, co-clerk, Celo FM)


<|>    Celo Meeting is now working on designs for our proposed new
meeting house.

<|>    Joyce Johnson saw an ad for the book, *The Quaker Houses of
Britain*.  We are wondering if any other meeting or individual has a
copy of it that we could borrow.

<|>    People can bring it to Jane Goldthwait at Rep/M&N  Meeting in
Nashville on April 5-6, 2002...

<|>    ... or e-mail Jane at jbgoldthwait at yahoo.com ...

<|>    ... or call Joyce Johnson at 828-675-4555.

<|>    Thanks, Jane

~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 032502 ~~~~~~

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From moriah at preferred.com  Wed Mar 27 15:53:42 2002
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:53:42 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 140 clerk's computer on-line again
Message-ID: <01a801c1d5c9$574d21a0$0500a8c0@oem>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMP ^o^ Bulletin 140
SAYMA clerk's computer
is back on-line
......................................................
*!*    (grin)    ^o^    (grin)    *!*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(from a 3-27-02 message from Sharon Annis, SAYMA clerk)

 
<|>  Sharon Annis reports that her computer and e-mail are 
            up and running again.
  
<|>   Her e-mail address remains the same:  bsan at usit.net 

<|>   Temporarily, she is without Excel, but will be reinstalling it.
 
<|>   Thanks for your patience!
 
 
~~~~~~ end ^o^ ~~~~~~ 1stpost 032702 ~~~~~~
 
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From bright_crow at mindspring.com  Thu Mar 28 20:00:41 2002
From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Michael Austin Shell)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:00:41 -0500
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From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:40:43 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] IMP^o^ 137 office closing - Rep Mtg
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IMP ^o^ Bulletin 137
SAYMA office closing for Spring Rep Meeting
..........................................................
April 5 through 11
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


<|>  The SAYMA office will be temporarily closed
            April 5 through 11
            while the Administrative Assistant goes to 
            Spring Representative Meeting in Nashville, TN.

<|>  The answering machine will be on,
            and incoming e-mail will await pickup.

<|>  Non-urgent messages would be best held
            until after April 12,
            so that space in the electronic mailboxes remains
            for those who have limited chances to call or e-mail.

<|>    Thank you!

~~~~~~~end ^o^ ~~~~~~1stpost 033002 ~~~~~~

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From freepolazzo at mindspring.com  Sat Mar 30 19:54:47 2002
From: freepolazzo at mindspring.com (Free Polazzo)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:54:47 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Are businesspeople and corporations the "bad people" and an
 introduction by Free
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020330174749.02991d38@127.0.0.1>

Dear Friends,

Quaker economist Jack Powelson's most recent e mail letter, reproduced a 
copy of an article entitled "Friends' Attitudes Toward Business in the 
USA"   by Friend Mark S. Cary.  I believe that it is a very important part 
of the truth about Friends' shadow (in Jungian terms) that needs to have 
more light put on it. So here I am doing that.

A discussion around this concern, after worship some day, would help us to 
know each other better.

This concern is one that is very important to Janet and me as we are both 
"economic determinists". That is we recognize that most of the worlds 
issues revolve around economics. That field of study is scorned my most 
Friends.  I see business as "micro, micro economics".   In other words, 
applied economics.

As a small businessperson I have always felt what is mentioned in the 
article, reproduced below. The scorn and then the minds of F(f)riends 
closing as I say things that run counter to "popular liberal Quaker 
beliefs".  I run into resistance to my reality from folks who have never 
worked in the business world or have had limited experience in that 
environment.  I have the advantage of doing work which requires me to be 
privy to many "secrets" about the businesses who's accounting, distribution 
and manufacturing systems I am there to replace.  If I don't discover the 
truth about the way they function then the new one won't work.  It's as 
simple as that.

At FGC Gathering, AFSC meetings and FWCC conferences, it seems that 
everyone needs an enemy, even Quakers. So we have picked business people 
and corporations. I guess we are just like everyone else, except that we 
can perhaps listen harder to the minority, even if they are not part of an 
"affirmative action group" or an "oppressed class".  That is my hope and 
prayer.

Does the Spirit only dwell in those who do "not for profit" work? At my 
first FGC Gathering, on opening ceremonies, we 1000 plus Friends were asked 
to stand if we worked in the "healing professions". As I remained seated, I 
noticed maybe 20 other poor souls who were being labeled as "non healers" 
simply by the work we did.

As an accountant, I have always translated "not for profit" to mean "tax 
exempt". Without the "profit motive", all the "tax exempt" organizations I 
have worked or volunteered for, seem to treat their workers and managers 
and "owners" worse than the so called "oppressive and competitive 
corporations" that I work for every day.

And competition is not necessarily a bad thing. Done fairly, it helps to 
decide where scarce resources end up. People end up having choices. We may 
not like their choices, but isn't it part of a Friends journey to not get 
in the way of another's spiritual path?  Have many Friends have talked with 
business people and discovered what their Spiritual Journey is all 
about?  Would you really want to wait for a committee of all Americans to 
reach unity, before deciding on which crop to plant this year? We'd all 
starve, as did many in countries where committees smaller than that, 
decided that they knew better than the farmers what needed to be grown.

The business people I work with are not plunderers and pirates, ala Enron. 
Enron is news because it is the exception. More oversite will occur and 
trust will be restored. That's what has made the USA,  Northwest Europe and 
Japan so productive in material terms. Otherwise we end up like the 
Ferenghi on Star Trek. To learn more about this phenomena, I strongly 
recommend Jack's Powelson's book, Centuries of Economic Endeavor : Parallel 
Paths in Japan and Europe and Their Contrast With the Third World published 
by the Univ. of Michigan Press.

Go to Jack's website for more insights from a very weighty and 
knowledgeable and brave Friend, who speaks his mind from personal 
experience. http://clq.quaker.org/

Click on Jack Powelson for a list of books he has published. I believe 
every Friends Library could benefit from his work. Sadly his workshop was 
excluded from the 2002 FGC Gathering, in sprit of excellent reviews by his 
previous workshop attenders, because it wasn't "Spiritual Enough". All 
workshops dealing with economics seems to have been purged by the workshop 
committee. Makes me so sad to see Friends appear afraid of the truth, when 
it's different than what is common knowledge We still have an enormous 
problem with avoiding conflict, that could contribute to the greater 
understanding of the truth and how to be even better at peacemaking than we 
already are.

Peace and Blessings,

Free
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Subject: The Classic Liberal Quaker, Letter No. 40

Friends' Attitudes Toward Business in the USA
by Mark S. Cary
515 Scott Lane, Wallingford, PA USA
Comments can be sent to markcary at att.net
Second Month 2002


Dear friends:

Mark Cary has just sent me this report, which fits in so neatly with CLQ #39
and previous Letters on classic liberalism and Quakers, that I have decided to
send it as CLQ #40. It is published with his permission.
Sincerely your friend,
Jack

The Attitudes

Unprogrammed liberal Friends today seem publicly almost uniformly
negative about most business activity. I have been to talks at the
Pendle Hill Conference Center (Wallingford, PA USA) where speakers
casually state that capitalism is the cause of all the injustice and
inequality in our world, where being employed by a large corporation
is treated as a badge of shame.

For example, Paul Rasor, who directs the Social Issues program at
Pendle Hill considers the "deep-seated ethic of competition that
underlies our economic system" to be "a form a cultural violence, it
is also a form of physical violence as well." Paul write that this
violence "has been accorded the status of a religion, demanding from
its devotees an absolute obedience to death." Certainly, with
language like this, the average business person might wonder about
their moral legitimacy.

These negative views of business are not limited to Friends. Laura
Nash and Scotty McLennan (Church on Sunday, Work on Monday) have found
that many liberal clergy share these negative views. Knowing little
about how business works, many clerics take a view that includes
simple protests and academic position papers full of "oughts."

Attitudes of the average "Quaker in the Street" are not as negative as
some of the more public Friends. We have two recent sources of data
here, both of which I conducted as a volunteer using my survey
research background. The first was a survey members and attenders at
three Meetings in Philadelphia Yearly Meeting (PYM) which was done to
learn more about outreach and diversity issues. The second was a
survey of people on the Pendle Hill mailing list who live outside the
Northeast and Middle Atlantic states. This survey was about Friends'
attitudes toward money.

Both studies show these Friends to be are mostly upper income people
with high levels of education, and thus good earning potential. In the
PYM study, 53% percentage have a graduate degree, with 79% percent
having a graduate degree in the Pendle Hill sample. Few, however, are
in business. Previous survey work suggests that most Friends are in
education or social services. Those in business rarely have management
responsibilities. Few Friends appear to be small business persons or
entrepreneurs.

Friend are much more politically liberal than the general
population. As shown in the table below, 88% of the Quakers on the
Pendle Hill list and 65% of the PYM Quakers self-identified themselves
as liberal or extremely liberal, compared to only 15% of the general
US population. Thus, these Friends are 4 to 6 times more likely to be
liberal or extremely liberal than the US population. Few Quakers are
leaning conservative or conservative politically in these
samples. Compared to the US population, Quakers are definitely on the
"far left" of the political spectrum.

US Population(1998 GSS Survey)%
| PYM Quakers (Three Meetings)%
| | Non-Eastern Pendle Hill Quakers%
Extremely liberal 2 15 23
Liberal 13 50 65
Leaning liberal 13 12 8
Moderate 37 15 0
Leaning
Conservative 16 5 3
Conservative 15 4 0
Extremely
Conservative 3 0 0

Their attitudes toward business appear to be leftist, but with
considerable range. We only have data on these attitudes for the
Pendle Hill sample, but given their overall similarity in liberalness,
we might expect PYM to be roughly similar.

In the table below, we have divided the responses into "agree" meaning
"agree" or "strongly agree", "Neither agree nor disagree", and
"Disagree" meaning "Disagree or Strongly disagree."

Almost all these Friends agree that there is too great an income
disparity in America today, and most agree that they themselves have
enough money. Likewise, there is substantial agreement that spiritual
and emotional poverty is more important than material poverty and that
income does, in the end, come from business economic activity.

A number of issues split the respondents into thirds. About a third
think socialism is a better economic system than capitalism; about a
third disagree. About a third say they would agree to some taxation
scheme to level incomes across all Americans so that everyone would
have about the same income--a third disagree. Such a program would
require a much higher marginal tax rate than we have today. A third
agree that the WTO should require world-wide wage standards.

There is little support for free international trade as a solution to
world poverty.

In more conservative circles, the entrepreneur who develops new
methods of production or new products is seen as a creator of wealth,
a person who lifts all boats even if some gain
disproportionately. Most Friends disagree. Quaker entrepreneurs are
not likely to be held in high esteem.

Attitude Agree% Neither% Disagree%
There is too great a disparity
between the highest and lowest
income levels in this country 97 0 3

I have enough money; I do not
need more 76 9 15

Spiritual and emotional poverty
is a greater problem in the world
today than material poverty 57 26 17

Almost all income for government or
non-profit organizations comes, in
the end, from commercial and business
economic activity 52 35 13

Overall, socialism is a better
economic system than capitalism 36 32 33

The WTO should require world-wide
wage standards to that all workers
are paid equally for comparable work 35 40 25

Capitalism is the main cause of
problems in the world today 34 33 34

The government should use taxation
and other means to equalize income
so that every person has about the
same income 31 35 34

International free trade is the
best way to raise the world out
of poverty 17 33 51

We need people with the gift of
generating wealth, for we are all
raised from poverty by them 14 54 33

Pursuing a for profit career is
contrary to many Friends testimonies 11 36 52

Rich people are rich mostly because
they are greedy and grasping 9 24 68

Rich people are morally inferior to
poor people 2 20 78


Other Friends are more positive. In a talk given at the 1994
Consultation of Friends in Business at Earlham, John Punshon wrote
that:

In recent years, convinced Friends like myself have come to be a
fairly large majority in the Society, and we wanted to join a
religious society that did good because we were already doing good
ourselves. But we do not work, as the old philanthropists did, with
their own money, but with taxpayers money. We are a sustained class
and not a sustaining class. The link between the production of wealth
which the community can use for socially productive purposes, and the
good ideas about what those purposes are, has been severed.

Far too often then I find Friends speaking in critical or
condescending ways about business, and it annoys me, because such
attitudes show no awareness of how Quaker history has developed, let
alone the importance of the vocation to economic life. Suppose there
is a cherry pie. It is easy enough to share it out, but who is going
to pick the cherries and go in the kitchen and actually make the pie?
The answer is the business community and Friends in business. I think
that it is sad that the prevailing opinion in the Society of Friends
seems to be more concerned with eating the pie than cooking it.

Richard Wood, then President of Earlham, and a philosophy professor,
makes a similar point. He contrasts the utilitarian approach to ethics
to the Kantian. Being concerned with the greatest good to the
greatest number, the utilitarians pay attention to the size of the
pie, even if it is not always distributed evenly. The Kantians can
tend to focus exclusively on fairness and distributive justice. Wood
believes that "Much Quaker hostility to business in recent decades
seems to me to lie in an uncritical adoption of largely Kantian views.
As Plato has Glaucon argue in The Republic, a society might be fair
but otherwise hardly worth human habitation."

Many Friends who live in "clean" professions like teaching, social
work, and the like, are living off a tax base drawn mostly from
business activity. In Punshon's terms, we are a "sustained class" and
not a "sustaining class." Even the Friends School teacher who
complained about capitalism admitted in her talk that their Friends
School could not exist without the money from these same
capitalists. While the work we do may well be useful, we are more like
the little fish that symbiotically clean the teeth of the big fish
than the big fish themselves. We want to divide the pie, leaving the
work of making it to others.

There are also social class and status distinctions that affect
business. Thorstein Veblen wrote of the leisure classes and their
distain for useful work. As we become more academic, we are holding
ourselves to be doing "high status" work rather than business
work--teaching, research, art, literature, pure research and
theory. But, someone has to run the local grocery store, manage the
garbage collection, and be a fireman or policeman. I think some of our
resistance to business is a matter of prestige--we are now wealthy
enough to indulge ourselves in the pursuit of "higher" things.

Discussion

I personally believe that excluding the pro-business and more
politically conservative views from today's liberal Friends'
communities is a mistake. In doing so we become less diverse, our
political and religious dialogue becomes more one-sided, and Friends
become increasingly out of touch with the wider diversity of views in
our society.

As a Quaker who is in business, I feel increasingly isolated within my
faith community. Where do we turn for help?

There are some Quakers in business. The British Quakers and Business
Group has a web site at www.quakerbusiness.org that contains
literature and other resources. They have also published Good
Business: Ethics at Work which are advices and queries on personal
standards of conduct at work. Here in the USA, we do not have a
national Friends Business organization--and it appears that few would
be interested. However, Philadelphia Yearly Meeting does have a group
that meets from time to time. However, other religious persons have
thought deeply about these issues. Laura Nash and Scotty McLennan's
Church on Sunday, Work on Monday is the most detailed discussion of
the split between the church and person of religion in business. Their
books attempts to explain the view of each side to the other, and ends
each chapters with questions to consider. Michael Novak, a Catholic,
has also written a book called Business as a Calling, which summarizes
many of the pro-business views.

Given Friends history of success in business and the many businesses
that Friends founded, what happened to Friends in business? I'm not
sure that this has been researched, but I suspect that there has been
a gradual drift of more conservative and free enterprise oriented
Friends out of the Society and into religious denominations that are
more supportive. We have no quantitative data on whether this trend is
continuing.


The Author

Mark S. Cary operates a survey research and data analysis business. He
was worked in the past for Research International USA (a company
within the WPP group, head-quartered in London), The Walt Disney
Company (the Chilton research division of the ABC Broadcasting
Company), Friends World Committee for Consultation, and was on the
psychology faculty at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana. He
has also been adjunct faculty to the Wharton Global Consulting
Program. His web site is at www.caryresearch.com.

References

Nash, Laura, & McLennan, Scotty. (2001). Church on Sunday, Work on
Monday: The Challenge of Fusing Christian Values with Business
Life. San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.

Novak, Michael. (1996). Business as a calling: Work and the Examined
Life. New York: The Free Press.

Punshon, John (1994). An Historical View of Friends and Business, in
Friends Consultation on Friends in Business. Richmond, IN: Earlham
School of Religion and Quaker Hill Conference Center.

Quakers and Business Group. (2000). Good Business: Ethics at
Work--Advices and queries on personal standards of conduct at
work. London: Quakers and Business Group.

Rasor, Paul. (2001). "Materialism, violence, and culture: The context
of our faith." Pendle Hill Monday night lecture. Wallingford, PA.

Wood, Richard J (1994). Virtues, Ethics, and Friends in Business, in
Friends Consultation on Friends in Business. Richmond, IN: Earlham
School of Religion and Quaker Hill Conference Center.

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