From jhminshall at attbi.com  Thu May  1 13:13:03 2003
From: jhminshall at attbi.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:13:03 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Is You a Patriot?
Message-ID: <p05100302bad705c9e2b5@[192.168.1.101]>

I thought SAYMA Friends might appreciate this -- another wonderful 
forward from Tom Coyner of Seoul Monthly Meeting in Korea.  Janet




>
>Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:34:59 +0900
>To: coyner at netsgo.com
>From: Tom Coyner <coyner at gol.com>
>Subject: Is You a Patriot?
>
>   
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                              Tom Coyner
>          Home Tel: 82-2-764-8387; Fax: 82-2-747-7653
>              Home Email: coyner at gol.com
>     Work Tel: 82-2-2198-2230; Mobile 82-11-9099-6195
>                Work Email: coynert at tsainc.com
>      Home Web: http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Poland announced it has sent troops to the Gulf to help the
>coalition forces. Mexico has no idea what to do with them. 
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From jhminshall at attbi.com  Thu May  1 13:40:56 2003
From: jhminshall at attbi.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:40:56 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [saymaListserv] Thomas Friedman Op/Ed piece on Iraq
Message-ID: <p05100303bad706890fed@[192.168.1.101]>

Hi Michael,  Thanks for forwarding the Tom Friedman piece.  SAYMA 
Friends might be interested in his point of view.  He has won three 
Pulitzer Prizes, most recently in 2002 for his commentary, and is 
Foreign Affairs columnist for the New York Times. You may not enjoy 
or agree with what he has to say, but it is
important to know what he has to say.  Many Friends need an entry 
into the other political and economic realities (sets of truths) 
which are different from those held by most Friends, and Tom 
Friedman's writing is a good entry point.

His books that I have read are:  The Lexus and The Olive Tree: 
Understanding Globalization, and Longitudes and Attitudes: Exploring 
the World After September 11.  The Lexus.. is in paperback and 
published by Anchor Books/Randon House in 2000, and Longitudes.. is 
published by Farrar, Straus and Giroux in 2002.

				Janet





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>Dear Friends,
>
>This is a very important Op/Ed piece from the 4/30/03 NY TIMES by 
>Thomas Friedman.  It addresses concerns about the future of the 
>Iraqi people and their self-governance which all of us should attend 
>to.  In particular, Friedman's Point 3 gives a good summary 
>explanation of crucial facts about historical Shiism which most 
>Americans do not know or understand.
>
>Traditional Shiism going back centuries has taught that religion and 
>the state should be separate.  The blurring of the two in modern 
>Iran is one version of what has happened often in the history of 
>Islam: in reaction to an abusive, secular government, religious 
>leaders decide that they should be the government.  Iraqi Shiites 
>tend toward the more traditional ethic of separation, but the 
>influence of the movement lead by conservatives in Egypt and Iran is 
>great.
>
>I encourage you to read and share this piece, and to seek further information.
>
>A good additional source is Karen Armstrong's short, articulate 
>book, ISLAM: A SHORT HISTORY (NY: Modern Library, 2000).
>
>Blessed Be,
>Michael.
>
>
><><><><><><><>
>This article is reproduced from the NEW YORK TIMES
>
>
>Dear President Bush
>
>April 30, 2003
>THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
>
>Memo to: President Bush, the White House
>From: Saddam Hussein, in a Baghdad basement
>
>Well, you sure ruined my birthday. . . . O.K., you won, and your 
>prize is Iraq. Are you ready for it? I don't think so. Truth is, I 
>hope you fail. But because my people have suffered enough, I'll give 
>you a few tips on how to run this place, before you make a total 
>mess:
>
>   (1) Yes, Iraq was the way it was, in part, because I was the way I 
>was - and I was a bad boy. But what you're seeing now is that I was 
>the way I was, in part, because Iraq was what it is - a very 
>difficult place to rule without an iron fist. You see, I know the 
>Iraqi people didn't want me. And you will soon discover they don't 
>want you. The big question here has always been: Do they want each 
>other? Can Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis find a way to live together 
>without an iron fist holding them together? Maybe, but they're not 
>going to find it on their own. They are going to need a firm hand 
>guiding them. You need to have a very clear idea of where you want 
>to take this place, because, trust me, if you don't, others will.
>
>   (2) If you want to build a self-governing authority here, you had 
>better understand that "shock and awe" is not just for war-making. 
>It's an everyday tool for running this place. Why did it take you 
>two weeks to throw out that bozo who declared himself mayor of 
>Baghdad? What about all the others? You now have armed gangs or 
>Shiite clerics grabbing control all over the country. You thought 
>that you were just going to decapitate my army and then rely on it 
>to run the place for you. But the whole army collapsed instead, and 
>you don't have enough troops here to fill the security vacuum. So 
>when a few of your guys come under fire, they panic and start 
>shooting up the place. I ran Iraq with an iron fist. You're trying 
>to run it on the cheap with an iron finger. No way. This ain't 
>Norway here, pal. Your powerlessness will scare people here much 
>more than your power.
>
>   (3) When you broke my army, you broke the most important secular 
>institution in the country, and the clerics are rushing to fill the 
>void. Some are O.K., and some are bad news. Since the Shiites make 
>up 60 percent of Iraq, if you're going to let the people here rule, 
>that means the most important question for you is: Who dominates the 
>Iraqi Shiite community? Not only is the future of Iraq at stake in 
>the answer, but also, to some extent, the future of Iran.
>
>   How so? Remember, the real academic and spiritual center of Shiism 
>is the Iraqi town of Najaf, not the Iranian city of Qom. Qom is a 
>backwater that became religiously important only because I crushed 
>my Shiites, while Khomeini created a Shiite theocracy in Iran.
>
>   Most Iraqi Shiite spiritual leaders in Najaf have long opposed 
>Khomeini's notion that Shiite clerics should be in power. They think 
>this has corrupted the clergy in Iran, angered the people and driven 
>young Shiites away from their religion. You've now set off a fight 
>for control of Najaf, between those Iraqi Shiite leaders who believe 
>in the separation between mosque and state, and the pro-Iranian 
>clerics who want to run Iraq Khomeini-style. That's why the Iranians 
>are so concerned about what's happening here. They know if Najaf 
>re-emerges as the center of Shiism - and if it's dominated by Iraqi 
>ayatollahs who don't believe that the clergy should be in politics - 
>the claim of the Iranian clergy to remain in power will be weakened.
>
>   This is the most important power struggle in the Middle East 
>today. For now, the Iraqi Shiite clergy in Najaf are weak. They 
>don't have many senior clerics. I kept it that way. But you can't 
>just install your own Iraqi Shiite leaders. They will have to emerge 
>on their own. You need to create the conditions in Najaf whereby 
>students can come back and the natural Iraqi-Arab Shiite traditions 
>can flower again to counter the Iranians.
>
>   (4) Always remember: This is an Arab country. Iraqis want to be 
>first-class Arabs, not second-class Americans. If you want to build 
>a legitimate, moderate political center here, you need to enlist 
>some help, and some cover, from Arab states and the U.N. Iraqis will 
>eventually want their parties and leaders legitimized by the Arab 
>world and media. They won't want to be seen as U.S. stooges. They 
>don't watch Fox News here.
>
>   Mr. Bush, I know you're wondering why I did not do more to avoid 
>this war, which ended my political life. What in the world was I 
>thinking? Who was I listening to? The answer isI was listening only 
>to myself. Don't make my mistake.
>
>http//www.nytimes.com/2003/04/30/opinion/30FRIE.html?ex=1052714332&ei=1&en=4ad671d9c64f1b36
>
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>
>Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
>
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From bright_crow at mindspring.com  Thu May  1 15:54:55 2003
From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (bright_crow at mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:54:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [saymaListserv] Thomas Friedman Op/Ed piece on Iraq
Message-ID: <4559044.1051818897077.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

Friends,

Janet Minshall wrote:

>>Thanks for forwarding the Tom Friedman piece.  SAYMA Friends might be interested in his point of view.... You may not enjoy or agree with what he has to say, but it is important to know what he has to say.  Many Friends need an entry into the other political and economic realities (sets of truths) which are different from those held by most Friends, and Tom Friedman's writing is a good entry point.<<

I frequently disagree with Friedman's conclusions, particularly when he advocates use of force as a solution.

However, he is one of the very few popular commentators who is willing... in fact, determined... to educate the American public on important religious, cultural, historical and political matters in the Middle East which they seem equally determined to trivialize and ignore.

That's why I think it's important to read him and to share his writings.

Thanks, Janet, for your comment,
Michael.


From hensign at mindspring.com  Mon May  5 21:54:41 2003
From: hensign at mindspring.com (Beth Ensign)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:54:41 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Mothers, Father, Fellow Siblings All
Message-ID: <005401c31372$764a82e0$218656d1@users.mindspring.com>


I thought friends might appreciate reading these words, too. this was
forwarded to me by a presbyterian friend, a military spouse, active in
peacemaking activities in fayetteville, where she currently lives. her
husband has been in afghanistan most recently. peace to all, beth ensign
>
>
>  With Mother's Day coming up soon, let us recall and celebrate the
original,
> true purpose.
>
> Mothers' Day Proclamation
> by Julia Ward Howe Boston 1870
>
> Mother's Day was originally started after the Civil War as a protest to
the
> carnage of war by women who had lost their sons. Here is the original
> Mother's Day Proclamation:
>
>
> Arise, then, women of this day! Arise all women who have hearts, whether
our
> baptism be that of water or of fears.
> Say firmly: 'We will not have great questions decided by irrelevant
> agencies. Our husbands shall not come to us, reeking with carnage, for
> caresses and applause. Our sons shall not be taken from us to unlearn all
> that we have been able to teach them of charity, mercy and patience. We
> women
> of one country will be too tender of those of another country to allow our
> sons to be trained to injure
>  theirs from the bosom of the devastated earth a voice goes up with our
own.
>
> It says "Disarm, Disarm! The Sword of Murder is not the balance of
Justice."
> Blood does not wipe our dishonor nor violence indicate possession. As men
> have often forsaken the plow and the anvil at the summons of war, let
women
> now leave all that may be left of home for a great and earnest
> day of counsel. Let them meet first, as women, to bewail and commemorate
the
> dead. Let them then solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means
> whereby the great human family can live in peace, each bearing after their
> own time the sacred impress, not of Caesar, but of God.
>
> In the name of womanhood and of humanity, I earnestly ask that a general
> congress of women without limit of  nationality may be appointed and held
at
> some place deemed most convenient and at the earliest period consistent
with
> its objects, to promote the alliance of the different nationalities, the
> amicable settlement of international questions, the great and general
> interests of peace.
>
> Julia Ward Howe, Boston 1870.
>
>
>



From moriah at preferred.com  Mon May  5 23:11:28 2003
From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:11:28 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Mother's Day is a Day of Peace
Message-ID: <05cc01c3137d$c1f4ee00$0500a8c0@oem>

Dear Friends,

More about the history of Mother's Day.

Mary Calhoun
Foxfire Friends Meeting of the Holston Valley
SAYMA
-------------------------
"Art, not arms."


----- Original Message -----
From: Sojourners
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Mother's Day is a Day of Peace

Honor your mother and those you love on Mother's Day by making a gift to
support Sojourners' ministry of peace and justice.

Did you know that Mother's Day was suggested as a day of peace in the
United States by Julia Ward Howe who protested the carnage of war in her
bold proclamation of 1870? Decades later in 1907, the first Mother's Day
observance was held at a church service honoring the memory of Anna
Reese Jarvis in Grafton, West Virginia. Jarvis, an Appalachian
homemaker, organized women during the Civil War to work for better
sanitary conditions and to reconcile Union and Confederate neighbors.

-----------------------------






From listener at bellsouth.net  Mon May 12 16:34:45 2003
From: listener at bellsouth.net (Kit Potter)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:34:45 -0500
Subject: [saymaListserv] Please
Message-ID: <000f01c318c5$ecb6c210$6501a8c0@heyoka>

Dear friends,
I would like to urge you visit the web site www.moveon.org
<http://www.moveon.org/> and join their petition to Congress to block the
FCC's plans to remove the last rules that prevent literally ALL media
outlets to be concentrated into a few or eventually even just 1 corporate
owner. If this ever happens, it will bring an end to the public's ability to
choose among multiple sources of information. As the Nazis knew, you could
lead a country's population to do anything, if you controlled ALL their
sources of information.

It takes very little time! Please do this one if you have done no other!

Thanks,
Kit
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From ejohnson at berry.edu  Fri May 16 13:29:33 2003
From: ejohnson at berry.edu (Johnson, Ellen)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:29:33 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] peace history list
Message-ID: <04075613166AF949913A8094A388272AE5FA7B@fsmail.ad.berry.edu>

For historians and others who may be interested, here is a discussion
list on Peace History that a colleague of mine moderates.  Ellen

http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~peace/

Ellen Johnson
P.O. Box 490237
Mt. Berry, GA 30149
706-506-3626
ejohnson at berry.edu
http://fsweb.academic.berry/hass/academic/ejohnson/dance.htm

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From tlamm at chpl.net  Thu May 22 11:55:42 2003
From: tlamm at chpl.net (Tim Lamm)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:55:42 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Web site updates
Message-ID: <021001c3207c$70e25320$3da8a8c0@TimLamm>

Friends in SAYMA,

I have posted the minutes from last Yearly Meeting and recent Representative
Meetings on the SAYMA web site (www.sayma.org) in the Online Documents
section.  You may find it helpful to review them before coming to Yearly
Meeting in June.

---Tim Lamm, clerk
YM 2003 Planning Committee


From jewen at micronetsystems.net  Sat May 24 18:32:26 2003
From: jewen at micronetsystems.net (Julia Ewen)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:32:26 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: [Quaker-L] f.u.m. and the peace testimony
Message-ID: <002901c32244$5b0cec80$658f5f43@amd1gig>


----- Original Message -----
From: "kenneth maher" <kmaher at rochester.rr.com>
To: <quaker-l at quaker.org>
Cc: <benr at fum.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Quaker-L] f.u.m. and the peace testimony


> dear friends
>
> i am heartened by the response below from ben richmond at friends united
> meeting, and i wanted to pass it on to you.
>
> ken maher
> rochester (ny) friends meeting
> ----------
> From: Ben Richmond <benr at fum.org>
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:11:07 -0500
> To: kmaher at rochester.rr.com
> Subject: RE:  [Quaker-L] f.u.m. and the peace testimony
>
> Dear Ken,
>
> I don't subscribe to Quaker-L any more, but your note came to me via the
> network!  Carol reported accurately things that were said at the
> consultation about the state of the peace testimony in parts of FUM.  My
> impression from many years of work in this area, however, is not as bleak.
> I would say, for instance, that throughout the Midwest pastoral meetings,
> that there is MUCH more than 10% support for the peace testimony.  Perhaps
> half hold to a personal pacifist conviction -- which, of course, is much
> weaker than it should be, but is also much more than a nearly forgotten
> vestige.  I know many pastoral meetings where the peace testimony is very
> vibrant.  Universally, the leadership within the yearly meetings are
solidly
> supportive of the traditional Friends pacifist tradition -- even in times
> when it is controversial such as immediately following 9-11.
>
> In fact, the call for this consultation came first from Indiana and
Western
> Yearly Meeting leaders who were looking for a way to help under gird the
> peace testimony within Monthly Meetings, and overcome a perceived split
> WITHIN many meetings between "peace activists" and those whose primary
> Quaker identity is located in inward spirituality or evangelism.
>
> I'm also aware of family members of Friends in east coast yearly meetings
> being in the military, and there has been lots of discussion (see FJ on
> Scott Simon) about reassessing doctrinaire pacifism.  One of the
interesting
> comments in a small group discussion I heard came from someone from an
> unprogrammed meeting who said words to the effect:  in your meetings it
> sounds like the peace testimony is controversial, in my meeting talking
> about Christ is controversial.  Several participants in the consultation
> were clear in saying that the peace testimony won't hold us together in
the
> absence of Christ.  We all have a lot of work to do in shoring up the
unity
> of Friends.
>
> During the consultation, all of the FUM north american yearly meetings
> reported on outward peace witness over the last few years.  All of them
> reported work in support of conscientious objection and making public
> witness for peace in response to the build-up for the war in Iraq.  There
> were differences of tone, but Friends across the board are continuing a
> unified witness for peace.  FUM, itself, has continued public witness for
> peace, issued statements and joined other Quaker statements (see our
> website), maintains a Peace Tax Fund for co's to military taxation, and
> remains the Friends sponsor of Christian Peacemaker Teams.  One of the
> outcomes of the consultation is that the participants are taking back to
> their yearly meetings the question of whether the Friends Coordinating
> Committee on Peace should be revived in some form.  So, I think that you
can
> continue to look to the peace testimony as an important link holding all
> Friends together.
>
> In the context of the consultation, Friends were able and willing to be
very
> vulnerable and honest with each other about problems within our yearly
> meetings and among us.  I'm not sure if that vulnerability translates very
> well in the context of wide public discussion, where an individual's
> extemporaneous expression may be given more weight than it really
deserves.
>
> If you think it would be helpful, you have my permission to forward this
on
> to the Quaker-l list.
>
> Blessings,
> Ben Richmond
> -----------
> Ben Richmond
> North American Ministries
> Friends United Meeting
> 101 Quaker Hill Drive, Richmond IN 47374
> (765) 962-7573; (765) 966-1293 fax
> mailto:benr at fum.org  -- http://www.fum.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Quaker-L mailing list
> Quaker-L at earlham.edu
> http://www.earlham.edu/mailman/listinfo/quaker-l
>



From jhminshall at attbi.com  Thu May 29 13:35:19 2003
From: jhminshall at attbi.com (Janet Minshall)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:35:19 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Paul Krugman: Targeting Us
Message-ID: <p05100300bafbf2c008ec@[192.168.1.101]>

I thought that SAYMA Friends who hadn't seen this article might want 
to.  It is an economic analysis of the Bush Administrations actions 
thus far.  I think most of us really know this already in our gut, 
but Krugman is willing to say it in print.  J



>
>Paul Krugman: Targeting welfare
><>Paul Krugman
>New York Times
>Wednesday, May 28, 2003
>
><>PRINCETON, New Jersey<> 'The lunatics are now in charge of the 
>asylum." So wrote the normally staid Financial Times, traditionally 
>the voice of solid British business opinion, when surveying the tax 
>bill passed by Congress last week. Indeed, the legislation is doubly 
>absurd: The gimmicks used to make an $800 billion plus tax cut carry 
>an official price tag of only $320 billion are a joke, yet the cost 
>without the gimmicks is so large that the United States can't 
>possibly afford it while keeping its other promises.
>.
>But then maybe that's the point. The Financial Times suggests that 
>"more extreme Republicans" actually want a fiscal train wreck: 
>"Proposing to slash federal spending, particularly on social 
>programs, is a tricky electoral proposition, but a fiscal crisis 
>offers the tantalizing prospect of forcing such cuts through the 
>back door."
>.
>Good for the Financial Times. It seems that stating the obvious has 
>now, finally, become respectable.
>.
>It's no secret that rightist ideologues want to abolish programs 
>that Americans take for granted. But not long ago, to suggest that 
>the Bush administration's policies might actually be driven by those 
>ideologues - that the administration was deliberately setting the 
>country up for a fiscal crisis in which popular social programs 
>could be sharply cut - was to be accused of spouting conspiracy 
>theories.
>.
>Yet by pushing through another huge tax cut in the face of record 
>deficits, the administration clearly demonstrates either that it is 
>completely feckless, or that it actually wants a fiscal crisis. (Or 
>maybe both.)
>.
>Here's one way to look at the situation: Although you wouldn't know 
>it from the rhetoric, federal taxes are already historically low as 
>a share of gross domestic product. Once the new round of cuts takes 
>effect, federal taxes will be lower than their average during the 
>Eisenhower administration.
>.
>How, then, can the government pay for Medicare and Medicaid - which 
>provide health insurance for the elderly and disabled and health 
>care for the poor, and didn't exist in the 1950s - and Social 
>Security, which provides retirement benefits and disability payments 
>and will become far more expensive as the population ages? (Defense 
>spending has fallen compared with the economy, but not that much, 
>and it's on the rise again.)
>.
>The answer is that it can't. The government can borrow to make up 
>the difference as long as investors remain in denial, unable to 
>believe that the world's only superpower is turning into a banana 
>republic. But at some point bond markets will balk - they won't lend 
>money to a government, even that of the United States, if that 
>government's debt is growing faster than its revenues and there is 
>no plausible story about how the budget will eventually come under 
>control.
>.
>At that point, either taxes will go up again, or programs that have 
>become fundamental to the American way of life will be gutted. We 
>can be sure that the right will do whatever it takes to preserve the 
>Bush tax cuts - right now the administration is even skimping on 
>homeland security to save a few dollars here and there. But 
>balancing the books without tax increases will require deep cuts 
>where the money is: that is, in Medicaid, Medicare and Social 
>Security.
>.
>The pain of these benefit cuts will fall on the middle class and the 
>poor, while the tax cuts overwhelmingly favor the rich. For example, 
>the tax cut passed last week will raise the after-tax income of most 
>people by less than 1 percent - not nearly enough to compensate them 
>for the loss of benefits. But people with incomes over $1 million 
>per year will, on average, see their after-tax income rise 4.4 
>percent.
>.
>The Financial Times suggests this is deliberate (and I agree): "For 
>them," it says of those extreme Republicans, "undermining the 
>multilateral international order is not enough; long-held views on 
>income distribution also require radical revision."
>.
>How can this be happening? Most people, even most liberals, are 
>complacent. They don't realize how dire the fiscal outlook really 
>is, and they don't read what the ideologues write. They imagine that 
>the Bush administration, like the Reagan administration, will modify 
>the American system only at the edges, that it won't destroy the 
>social safety net built up over the past 70 years.
>.
>But the people now running America aren't conservatives: They're 
>radicals who want to do away with America's social and economic 
>system, and the fiscal crisis they are concocting may give them the 
>excuse they need. The Financial Times, it seems, now understands 
>what's going on, but when will the public wake up?
>.
>E-mail: krugman at nytimes.com
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From jewen at micronetsystems.net  Sat May 31 10:00:30 2003
From: jewen at micronetsystems.net (Julia Ewen)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:00:30 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] 
	Fw: Quaker Vacation!!!! GUILFORD COLLEGE Conference: Discover Early
	Friends in NC
Message-ID: <001401c3277c$ff64f420$648f5f43@amd1gig>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Julia Ewen" <jewen at micronetsystems.net>
To: "Atlanta Friends Meeting" <afmquakers at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:59 AM
Subject: Quaker Vacation!!!! GUILFORD COLLEGE Conference: Discover Early
Friends in NC


> Guilford College, a Quaker college in Greensboro NC, is sponsoring a
> conference on what life was like for early Friends who settled the
Piedmont
> region of the Carolinas in the early 18th century. Learn how Quakers'
> underlying faith and practice have influenced daily life, life during
> wartime, and other trying times. Explore the beliefs and spiritual
practices
> that undergird Quaker life. For information call 336-316-2342.
>
> This is the area where I grew up. It is rich with historic Quaker sites,
> including a Quaker homestead from the pre-Civil War era that was a stop on
> the underground railroad, and which still has one of the false-bottom
wagons
> that transported fleeing slaves. Deep River Meetinghouse, built in 1774,
is
> still in active use for worship! and Springfield Friends Meeting has a
> Quaker museum. Guilford College Library's Quaker Room has some of the best
> archives and research materials on Quakers in the country, certainly the
> best in the South. Within an hour's drive east of Greensboro is Snow Hill,
a
> Quaker site with some great history around the anti-slavery movement. I
> think there is still an outdoor drama there celebrating that history.
>
> Within a half-hour's drive to the West is the restored colonial Moravian
> community of Salem in Winston-Salem, where costumed docents tell you about
> daily life for these "plain and pacifist" German folk, who were and are
> similar in a lot of ways to Quakers.
> They make terrific ginger cookies and sugar cookies! Have some with the
> wonderful Moravian style coffee...
>
> And in the late 1600's and early 1700's George Fox made a missionary
journey
> through eastern North Carolina. The coast is only a couple of hours from
> Greensboro. You can play on the beach and swim in the ocean and drive
> through the sort of swamps that George Fox endured on foot and by boat to
> spread the Quaker message in the New World.
>
> If you've been wanting to immerse yourself in Quaker heritage for a
vacation
> trip without having to do a transAtlantic flight to Northern England,
> consider North Carolina this summer.
>
> (And neither the NC Tourist Bureau nor Guilford College has me on their
> payroll! ( Grin!!) )
>
> Julia Parker Ewen
>



From jewen at micronetsystems.net  Sat May 31 10:23:48 2003
From: jewen at micronetsystems.net (Julia Ewen)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:23:48 -0400
Subject: [saymaListserv] 
	Fw: Quaker Vacation!!!! GUILFORD COLLEGE Conference: Discover Early
	Friends in NC
Message-ID: <003c01c32780$40b5a890$648f5f43@amd1gig>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Julia Ewen" <jewen at micronetsystems.net>
To: "Nancy Whitt" <nmwhitt at mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Fw: Quaker Vacation!!!! GUILFORD COLLEGE Conference: Discover Early
Friends in NC


> Just found out I omitted the date on the conference. Corrected version
> follows:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julia Ewen" <jewen at micronetsystems.net>
> To: "Atlanta Friends Meeting" <afmquakers at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:59 AM
> Subject: Quaker Vacation!!!! GUILFORD COLLEGE Conference: Discover Early
> Friends in NC
>
>
> > Guilford College, a Quaker college in Greensboro NC, is sponsoring a
> > conference on what life was like for early Friends who settled the
> Piedmont
> > region of the Carolinas in the early 18th century. Learn how Quakers'
> > underlying faith and practice have influenced daily life, life during
> > wartime, and other trying times. Explore the beliefs and spiritual
> practices
> > that undergird Quaker life. For information call 336-316-2342.
> July15-20 is the conference date.
> >
> > This is the area where I grew up. It is rich with historic Quaker sites,
> > including a Quaker homestead from the pre-Civil War era that was a stop
on
> > the underground railroad, and which still has one of the false-bottom
> wagons
> > that transported fleeing slaves. Deep River Meetinghouse, built in 1774,
> is
> > still in active use for worship! and Springfield Friends Meeting has a
> > Quaker museum. Guilford College Library's Quaker Room has some of the
best
> > archives and research materials on Quakers in the country, certainly the
> > best in the South. Within an hour's drive east of Greensboro is Snow
Hill,
> a
> > Quaker site with some great history around the anti-slavery movement. I
> > think there is still an outdoor drama there celebrating that history.
> >
> > Within a half-hour's drive to the West is the restored colonial Moravian
> > community of Salem in Winston-Salem, where costumed docents tell you
about
> > daily life for these "plain and pacifist" German folk, who were and are
> > similar in a lot of ways to Quakers.
> > They make terrific ginger cookies and sugar cookies! Have some with the
> > wonderful Moravian style coffee...
> >
> > And in the late 1600's and early 1700's George Fox made a missionary
> journey
> > through eastern North Carolina. The coast is only a couple of hours from
> > Greensboro. You can play on the beach and swim in the ocean and drive
> > through the sort of swamps that George Fox endured on foot and by boat
to
> > spread the Quaker message in the New World.
> >
> > If you've been wanting to immerse yourself in Quaker heritage for a
> vacation
> > trip without having to do a transAtlantic flight to Northern England,
> > consider North Carolina this summer.
> >
> > (And neither the NC Tourist Bureau nor Guilford College has me on their
> > payroll! ( Grin!!) )
> >
> > Julia Parker Ewen
> >
>