From freepolazzo at comcast.net Fri Jun 3 10:07:38 2005 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:07:38 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] For TN Friends: NOT SAYMA Business! Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603095800.034540b8@mail.comcast.net> Dear Friends in Tennessee, I belong to the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy (SACE) and received this information in their newsletter today. Because I don't live in TN, but I get to breathe TN air, I felt the need to write to y'all. Especially because I have a chronic illness that affects my lungs (Sarcoidosis - which is non contagious), clean air has been major personal concern of mine for the past 10 years. I feel like the proverbial "canary in the mine shaft". So here is a warning: "Tweet, Tweet, Tweet"! Please read and take action as way opens. Blessings, Free >Wired In >Southern Alliance for Clean Energy (SACE) E-newsletter >May 2005 > >2. Tennessee Senator Attacks Renewable Energy > >On Friday, May 13, Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) introduced astonishing >legislation that undercuts wind development by setting up regulatory >barriers to limit commercial wind power. In his official comments, >Alexander states that building new coal and nuclear plants would be better >use of federal money than supporting wind energy. Alexander is also >opposing a renewable energy standard in the Senate energy bill, which >would set a percentage target for energy produced from clean, renewable energy. > >This proposed legislation is shocking to the renewable industry because of >the disproportionate distribution of American taxpayer dollars currently >used to subsidize fossil and nuclear energy. The money used to promote >renewables, known as the Production Tax Credit, is a small fraction >compared to what is used for the fossil fuel and nuclear industries that >negatively impact the health of our communities. > >Also in comments regarding his proposed legislation, Senator Alexander >talks about the negative impact of wind turbines to scenic vistas, but he >makes no mention of the significant impact that the coal industry has to >scenic vistas such as mountain top removal and strip mining that deface >the land or the damaging effects of air pollution such as acid rain >deposition that harms ecosystems. > >Even more startling of Senator Alexander's contradictions is his position >on America's coastlines. While he has also proposed new legislation that >actively promotes new off shore oilrigs, this new windmill legislation >outlaws environmentally friendly off shore wind turbines. > >Contrary to Alexander's comments, wind power is a clean renewable source >of energy that is cost competitive with fossil fuels and helps to bring >tax revenue and high tech jobs to traditionally poor, under-funded rural >areas of America. United States lawmakers have not passed an Energy Bill >in four years, and at a time when America needs energy security and >independence, Senator Alexander is sabotaging the process for a >responsible and safe future. > >Learn more about Alexander's bill in the >Take >Action section of our website. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Southern Alliance for Clean Energy (SACE) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan >organization that promotes responsible energy choices that solve global >warming problems and ensure clean, safe and healthy communities throughout >the Southeast. Work with us! Join at >http://www.cleanenergy.org. > >Please feel free to forward this email to everyone you know who cares >about protecting the beauty of the region and the health of our children >and the planet. If you have received this message from a friend, you can >sign up for action alerts and our monthly e-newsletter by visiting >www.cleanenergy.org >or emailing us at info at cleanenergy.org. > >Our postal address is >PO Box 1842 >Knoxville, Tennessee 37901 >United States -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GlennReinhart at aol.com Sat Jun 4 02:04:15 2005 From: GlennReinhart at aol.com (GlennReinhart at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 02:04:15 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] Quakers in the News - week ended 6/3/2005 Message-ID: <15a.520b0f38.2fd29e5f@aol.com> Dear Friends, Welcome back to Quakers in the News. This was an extra busy week of reportage with 184 instances in the news mentioning the Friends. As always, you may visit http://quakersinthenews.blogspot.com to see or comment on a chronological archive of news stories this year. 1. The most widely reported story, with 62 instances in Major, Mid and Small market publications in the US and worldwide was: Arts/Film/Raised-a-Quaker/Individualism/James Dean's Star Shines 50 Years Later/MSNBC/ALL/ALL/USA/06/03/05/AP 2. Next, with mention of the Friendly Gangstas, in some stories, with 29 instances in a movie review for 'Rock School' Arts/Music/Film//Review: 'Rock' similar to 'School' /MSNBC/ALL/ALL/USA/06/02/05/AP 3. Third was this story featuring Col. Dan Smith at the Friends Committee on National Legislation; FCNL/War/Iraq/Smith, Dan/Women/Do US women belong in the thick of the fighting?/Christian Science Monitor/ALL/ALL/USA/05/25/05/CSM 4. The most interesting story (in my opinion) comes on the heels of a discussion here in New York City recently; Business/Financial Investing/Anti-War//The do-gooders/Baltimore Sun/Baltimore/MD/USA/05/29/05/ The remaining stories showing the face of Quakerism this week are as follows: Category/Article Title/Source/City/Area/Region/Date/Wire Service War/Revolutionary War/Free Quakers/The lure of the lore /philly.com/Philadelphia/PA/USA/05/27/05/ War/Revolutionary War/Free Quakers/GEORGE THE GREAT/Miami Herald/Miami/FL/USA/05/29/05/ War/Religious Diversity//Church Happenings/Louisville Courier-Journal/Louisville/KY/USA/05/28/05/ War/Non-violence//The world isn't waiting for our politicians to get it /Sun-Sentinel.com/Miami/FL/USA/05/29/05/ War/Iraq/Women/Prayer/Ministry targets hearts of military moms /ChristianExaminer/ALL/ALL/USA/06/01/05/ Silence/Worship Sharing//Mainline churches mix ancient, modern/Fort Wayne Journal Gazette/Fort Wayne/IN/USA/05/28/05/Washington Post Religious Faith/Palmer, Parker//A Higher Education /ChristianityToday.com/ALL/ALL/USA/05/27/05/ Raised-a-Quaker/Arts/Music/Matthews, Dave/Quiet achievers /Age/Sydney/Australia/Oceania/05/26/05/ Quaker Schools /Politics and Economics/Violence//Indiana Student Admits Throwing Pie At Commentator/INDYchannel.com/Indianapolis/IN/USA/06/03/05/ Quaker Schools/Earlham///Discovering what's special about a place /Palladium-Item/Indianapolis/IN/USA/05/29/05/ Quaker History/War/French and Indian/Colonial Correctness/New Republic/ALL/ALL/USA/06/02/05/ Quaker History/War///Ex-soldier keeps Korea in focus/Orlando Sentinel/Orlando/FL/USA/05/29/05/ Quaker History/Religious Freedom/Dyer, Mary/Quakers plan commemorative event /Upper Cape Codder/East Sandwich/MA/USA/05/26/05/ Quaker History/Natural Science/Business//Early Quakers behind many innovations/Driffield Today/Driffield/England/UK/05/25/05/ Quaker History/Native Americans/Miller, Joaquin/Poet, adventurer will be topic/Record-Searchlight/Shasta/CA/USA/05/31/05/ Quaker History/Arts/Theater/Dyer, Mary/This Weekend in South County /Providence Journal/Providence/RI/USA/05/26/05/ Quaker History/Archtitecture/Membership Decline/Quakers reach out for help with restoration/Atlanticville/Atlanticville/NJ/USA/05/26/05/ Quaker History/Archtitecture/Arts//Art center looking to preserve meetinghouse/Ft. Washington Montgomery Newspapers/Ft. Washington/PA/USA/06/03/05/ Prison Reform/Book Review//Dark tales of real life law and disorder/Yorkshire Post Today/York/England/UK/05/31/05/ Prayer////DOUG: RVD moves shop/Long Beach Press-Telegram/Yorba Linda/CA/USA/06/03/05/ Politics and Economics/Liberal/Natural Science/Medicine/Dr. Kirkaldy to bid farewell to his beloved Westport/Barrington Times/Barrington/RI/USA/05/26/05/ Peace Activity/Sustainability//Worth Noting/Berkshire Eagle/Pittsfield/MA/USA/06/03/05/ Obituary/Crime and Punishment/Obituaries in the News /New York Times/New York/NY/USA/06/03/05/ Obituary////Donna Appleglise/West Liberty Index/West Liberty/IA/USA/05/31/05/ Obituary////Ruby Swift/Fairfield Daily Ledger/Fairfield/IA/USA/05/31/05/ Obituary////WILMA WASS/Oskaloosa Herald/Oskaloosa/IA/USA/06/01/05/ International Conflict/Israel///Storm blows union off course /EducationGuardian.co.uk/London/England/UK/05/31/05/ International Conflict/Christian Peacemakers/Holy Land peacemakers criticized /Arkansas Democrat-Gazette/Little Rock/AR/USA/05/28/05/ International Conflict/Activist/Sudan//Talk planned in Barrington on crisis in Darfur/Berkshire Eagle/Great Barrington/MA/USA/06/02/05/ Home Schooling///Wolf home-schooled son without notice/Richmond Times Dispatch/Richmond/VA/USA/05/26/05/ FCNL/Prayer/Jesus//ICLU wants Jesus out of prayers in House, files suit/South Bend Tribune/South Bend/IN/USA/05/31/05/ Business/Recreation/Politics and Economics/George, Henry/A celebration more fun than passing Go/Los Angeles Times/Los Angeles/CA/USA/05/27/05/ Austerity/Quaker-Shaker//EW review: 'Empire Falls' watered down /CNN/ALL/ALL/USA/05/27/05/ Arts/Theater/Quaker History/Axial Theatre Welcomes New Managing Director /Westchester.com/White Plains/NY/USA/06/03/05/ Arts/Painting///Stations of Modern Persecution/Fairfield County Weekly/Fairfield/CT/USA/05/25/05/ Arts/Music/Religious Faith/Drummer stays grounded with his Christian faith /Orlando Sentinel/Orlando/FL/USA/05/29/05/ Arts/Film///Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt Good Friends/Postcards from the Pug Bus/Philadelphia/PA/USA/05/27/05/ Activism/Religious Faith/Religious Diversity/Program helps activists rediscover spirituality/Asheville Citizen-Times/Asheville/NC/USA/05/28/05/ AFSC/War/Protest//Peace vigil tonight/Today's Sunbeam/Woodbine/NJ/USA/05/27/05/ AFSC/War/Iraq/Politics and Economics/Letters: Homicide story was insensitive /Corvallis Gazette Times/Corvallis/OR/USA/05/25/05/ AFSC/War/Iraq/Counter-Recruiting/Law requires schools to give phone numbers to recruiters/AirForceTimes.com/ALL/ALL/USA/05/27/05/AP AFSC/War/Iraq/Counter-Recruiting/But few parents or students seem to know about the rule./Washington Observer Reporter/Washington/PA/USA/05/27/05/AP AFSC/War/Iraq/Conscientious Objection/Draft? Uncle Sam REALLY doesn't want you/Scripps Howard News Service/ALL/ALL/USA/06/03/05/ AFSC/War/Children//Church hosts ?Children Behind the Wire'/Corvallis Gazette Times/Corvallis/OR/USA/05/27/05/ AFSC/Politics and Economics/Civil Rights/Panel OKs recognizing S. Vietnam flag/OCRegister/Orange County/CA/USA/05/26/05/ AFSC/Politics and Economics/Activist/Elections/Summit joins elections suit /Akron Beacon Journal/Akron/OH/USA/05/25/05/ AFSC/Peace Activity/Community Awareness/Weaving a web of friendship/Amesbury News/Amesbury/MA/USA/05/27/05/ AFSC/Obituary/Activist//Inverness artist and activist Marjorie Drath dies at 93/Point Reyes Light/Point Reyes/CA/USA/05/26/05/ AFSC/International Conflict/Sudan//Cafe exhibit focuses on Darfur suffering /The Republican/Pittsfield/MA/USA/06/01/05/ AFSC/Immigration/Minuteman/The Minutemen are coming, the Minutemen are coming!/North County Times/Ventura/CA/USA/05/28/05/ AFSC/Immigration/Activist//Thieves target farm labor/Sacramento Bee/Sacramento/CA/USA/06/01/05/ AFSC/Immigration/Activist//Thieves, muggers targeting farmworkers in rural areas/Ventura County Star/Ventura/CA/USA/06/03/05/ AFSC/Immigration//Border crossers' universe is unseen but touches all of us /Baltimore Sun/Baltimore/MD/USA/05/29/05/ AFSC/Immigration//Immigration clinic offered on Saturday/Berkshire Eagle/Pittsfield/MA/USA/06/01/05/ AFSC/Humanitarian Assistance/Tsunami in Aceh: Regional tragedy, global solution/Jakarta Post/Jakarta/Indonesia/Oceania/05/25/05/ AFSC/Humanitarian Assistance/Rockefeller's relationships with Japanese leaders go way back/Charleston Gazette/Charleston/WV/USA/06/01/05/ AFSC/Human Rights/Negative//400 Crown Colony Drive/The Patriot Ledger/Kingston/MA/USA/05/31/05/ AFSC/Death Penalty//US Case Draws Vermont Into Debate on Death Penalty/New York Times/New York/NY/USA/05/28/05/ AFSC/Death Penalty//Trial tests Vermont's stance against death penalty /Kentucky.com/Lexington/KY/USA/05/29/05/NYT AFSC/Crime and Punishment/Protest//Protesters denounce Taser use, violence /Akron Beacon Journal/Akron/OH/USA/06/03/05/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cecilia at wutka.com Sat Jun 4 12:36:32 2005 From: cecilia at wutka.com (Ceal) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:36:32 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] SAYMA registration on arrival Message-ID: <01ad01c56924$23d97480$1f00a8c0@thinkertoo> For those who didn't have the advanced mailer, registration times are below. For those in the Walkabout workshop, this will happen rain or shine. So come prepared to walk in the rain if necessary. Ceal Wutka Registrar Registration Desk Hours: Kittridge Lobby: Wed: 4 - 10 pm Thrus 9 am - Noon. Gladfelter (outside Canon Lounge. Parking nearby is limited so please move your car as soon as you have your key and information. Handicapped can pull up by patio and we will process you quickly.) Thurs: 1:45 - 4:30 (no registration during opening worship) 6 - 9 pm Fri: 8:15 - 11:30 6:30 - 9 pm Sat. 8:15 - 11:30 Sun: 8:30 - 11 am (desk will be closed during worship) From freepolazzo at comcast.net Fri Jun 3 13:09:43 2005 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:09:43 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Leave My Child/Grand Child/Neighbor's Child Alone! Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050603130611.0334cb18@mail.comcast.net> Hi, Go to this website as a response to what to do about working to resist military recruiting in the public schools under the "No Child Left Behind" law. Free http://www.leavemychildalone.org/ To throw a "party": ; http://www.leavemychildalone.org/index.cfm?event=showContent&contentid=21 From nmwhitt at samford.edu Mon Jun 6 12:00:00 2005 From: nmwhitt at samford.edu (Nancy Whitt) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Transportation Message-ID: Can someone help Judy out? See below. Nancy Whitt Nancy, I can't get a room at Warren Wilson and I'm wondering if you know anyone in the Ashville mtg that you think could be asked to provide transportation from a motel to the campus. Would you be willing to contact the clerk there and explain my need. Then I could get a motel that is convenient to were someone lives who may pick me up. Let me know soon so I can let work people know my plans. Thanks much, Judy Nancy Whitt wrote: For those in the Walkabout workshop, this will happen rain or shine. So come prepared to walk in the rain if necessary. Ceal Wutka Registrar Registration Desk Hours: Kittridge Lobby: Wed: 4 - 10 pm Thrus 9 am - Noon. Gladfelter (outside Canon Lounge. Parking nearby is limited so please move your car as soon as you have your key and information. Handicapped can pull up by patio and we will process you quickly.) 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The most interesting story of the week, to me, is: Business/Humanitarian Assistance/Progressive/Rowntree/Competition-winning visionaries who are being paid to make the .../The Observer/London/England/UK/06/08/05/ The remaining stories showing the face of Quakerism this week are as follows: Category/Article Title/Source/City/Area/Region/Date/Wire Service Young Friends////Life as a learning curve/Bega District News/Bega Valley/Australia/Oceania/06/07/05/ War/Protest/ASBO//Balance not binge/Guardian Unlimited/London/England/USA/06/07/05/ War/Iraq/Peace Activities//Bob Kerr: A mother hits the road for peace /ProvidenceJournal/Providence/RI/USA/06/08/05 / War/Iraq///Support our troops: Bring them home from war/Salem Statesman Journal/Salem/OR/USA/06/08/05 / Quaker Schools/Real Estate Development/Environment//Donation will preserve much-savored treeline/The Gloucester County Times/Harrison Twp./NJ/USA/06/06/05/ Quaker Schools/Politics and Economics/Violence//Student faces trial for pie throwing/South Bend Tribune/South Bend/IN/USA/06/06/05/ Quaker Schools/Politics and Economics/Violence//Pie-throwing trial set for Earlham student/Indianapolis Star/Indianapolis/IN/USA/06/04/05 / Quaker Schools/Politics and Economics/Violence//Indiana Student Admits Throwing Pie At Commentator/INDYchannel.com/Indianapolis/IN/USA/06/03/05 / Quaker Schools/Politics and Economics/Violence//Earlham Student Admits Throwing Pie; But Pleads Not Guilty/WHIOtv.com/Dayton/OH/USA/06/03/05 / Quaker Schools////Penn Charter teacher to get two honors./Philadelphia Inquirer/Philadelphia/PA/USA/06/08// Quaker Schools////An educational legacy of love, learning & peace /Philadelphia Daily News/Philadelphia/PA/USA/06/06/05/ Quaker Schools////Scholarship winners/Marion Chronicle Tribune/Marion/OH/USA/06/05/05/ Quaker History/Women/Slavery/Abolition/IWC to celebrate suffrage anniversary /Burlington Hawk Eye/Burlington/IA/USA/06/06/05 / Quaker History/Real Estate Development///Morgan County cemeteries struggle for funds/Mooresville / Decatur Times/Moorsville/IN/USA/06/05/05 Quaker History/Gambling///Matthews were early settlers of Georgetown/The Chattanoogan/Chattanooga/TN/USA/06/06/05/ Quaker History/Archtitecture///GEMS of the CITY/New Bedford Standard/New Bedford/MA/USA/06/03/05 / Quaker History////Take a cybertrip of Ohio/Pittsburgh Post Gazette/Pittsburgh/PA/USA/06/05/05 / Politics and Economics/Protest/Sadness//Judgment in Burbank/LA Weekly/Los Angeles/CA/USA/06/08/05 / Politics and Economics////Putting a human face to NAFTA in Mexico/Thunder Bay Chronicle Journal/Thunder Bay/Canada/06/04/05// Outreach////Religion Notes/Worcester Telegram/Worcester/MA/USA/06/04/05 / Outreach////Public 'shop' for religion /Telegraph.co.uk/London/England/UK/06/03/05 / Obituary////Dorothy A. 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The most widely reported story this week with 51 instances in the US and UK: Quaker History/Pacifism/Farming//Deserter Jenkins' hometown reacts with rage, indifference/CNN International/ALL/ALL/ALL/06/14/05/AP The most interesting story of the week, to me, is: Business/Humanitarian Assistance/Progressive/Seizing the chance to make a difference/Yorkshire Post Today/York/England/UK/06/10/05 The remaining stories showing the face of Quakerism this week are as follows: Category/Article Title/Source/City/Area/Region/Date/Wire Service War/Military Research/Science//Soldier or scientist?/FelixOnline/Imperial College/England/UK/06/09/05 War////The right to protest/Yorkshire Post Today/York/England/UK/06/10/05 Simplicity/Public Nudity//County clerk tells nursing mom to cover up /MLive.com/Grand Rapids/MI/USA/06/09/05 Science/Peace Activity//Born unto Trouble/American Scientist/ALL/ALL/USA/06/11/05 Retirement Living/Kendal///Hyatt's gonna keep 'em down on The Farm/San Francisco Chronicle/San Francisco/CA/USA/06/12/05 Religious Faith/Book Review/Gulley, Phil/Righteous reads/Arkansas Democrat-Gazette/Little Rock/AR/USA/06/11/05 Religious Diversity/Silence///From Heart to Heart: Deep silence cleanses the soul/The Register-Guard/Eugene/OR/USA/06/11/05 Quaker Schools/War/Anti-Hierarchy/At Moorestown Friends School, these grads 'especially special'/phillyburbs.com/Burlington/NJ/USA/06/12/05 Quaker Schools///Oakwood Friends grads say goodbyes/Poughkeepsie Journal/Poughkeepsie/NY/USA/06/12/05 Quaker History/War/Revolutionary War/Storytellers Of Philadelphia /KYW/Philadelphia/PA/USA/06/11/05/AP Quaker History/War/Revolutionary War/Dropping familiar tales/Hagerstown Morning Herald/Hagerstown/MD/USA/06/12/05/AP Quaker History/War/Book Review/After Daybreak: The Liberation of Belsen, 1945/At Camp Horror, heroism and chaos /EducationGuardian.co.uk/London/England/UK/06/11/05 Quaker History/Underground Railroad/Women//Sherwood key site for freedom /Auburn Citizen/Auburn/NY/USA/06/13/05 Quaker History/Underground Railroad/History lies underground/Burlington Hawk Eye/Burlington/IA/USA/06/13/05 Quaker History/Plain Speech//Bible in English Literature/Korea Times/Seoul/South Korea/Asia/06/09/05 Quaker History/Hoover, Herbert/Simplicity/Opportunity/"Live" with TAE/The American Enterprise/Washington/DC/USA/06/14/05 Quaker History/Book Review/"No Shame, No Fear"/LIBRARIANS OFFER THEIR TIPS /Pioneer Press/Minneapolis/MN/USA/06/11/05 Quaker History/Black History/Meetinghouse/Curious Eagle Scout finds a trove of black history in Bellefonte/Centre Daily Times/State College/PA/USA/06/13/05 Quaker History/Black History/Integration/Pioneer's life is dug up at Independence Hall/Philadelphia Inquirer/Philadelphia/PA/USA/06/12/05 Quaker History/Barclay/Bevan//'The Clumsiest People in Europe' /NPR/Washington/DC/USA/06/10/05 Politics and Economics/Retirement Living//Conklin: The 'quintessential citizen politician'/Wisconsin State Journal/Madison/WI/USA/06/09/05 Politics and Economics//G8 protest: how far should you go?/New Statesman/London/England/UK/06/09/05 Peace Activity///Series to focus on Jewish-inspired music/Springfield News Sun/Springfield/OH/USA/06/13/05 Obituary/Natural Science/Medicine/Humanitarian Assistance/Littleton grateful for Bell's contributions/Lowell Sun/Lowell/MA/USA/06/09/05 Obituary/Natural Science/Medicine//Dr Horatio C. 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URL: From bright_crow at mindspring.com Fri Jun 17 12:22:43 2005 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:22:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] Online articles linked in SEYMpeace.org Message-ID: <5114975.1119025363987.JavaMail.root@wamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, I've added links to some thoughtful recent online articles in the "What's NEW?" section of SEYMpeace.org: http://seympeace.org/#NEW Please take a look. Thanks, Mike From freepolazzo at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 10:18:42 2005 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:18:42 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Wonderful peace sermon given in France after the Nazis occupied France Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050619101639.03352508@mail.comcast.net> Dear Friends, A wonderful sermon by a French Pastor whose explains pacifism as a way of life, not a decision one makes. The sermon was given after the Nazis occupied France, which makes it even more wonderful. http://www.peacemakersguide.org/peace/Peacemakers/Andre-Trocme.htm Great to see one doesn't need to be a Quaker, Amish or Menonite to understand what it means to be a pacifist. Blessings, Free From bright_crow at mindspring.com Tue Jun 21 21:42:08 2005 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:42:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] =?iso-8859-1?q?=EF=BB=BFALERT=3A_Federal_Consent?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Decree_Fairness_Act_=28S=2E_489/_HR_1229=29?= Message-ID: <19933015.1119404528510.JavaMail.root@wamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, I heard about this Act for the first time on NPR's All Things Considered this afternoon, and a red flag went up. If you have not come across this pending legislation yet, you need to investigate it thoroughly. Its sponsors in both houses--Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)--claim that its main intent is to save states the cost of consent decrees resulting from Medicaid suits. However, its actual scope covers ALL consent decrees. That means mental health, disability, prison reform, etc. I haven't been able to find much online yet, but here are some of the links I've come across: American Assoc. of People with Disabilities http://www.aapd-dc.org/policies/sign-onCDFA.html American Constitution Society for Law and Policy Blog http://www.acsblog.org/guest-bloggers-1068-guest-blogger-senate-489- replacing-phantom-problems-with-real-ones.html Human Rights Watch: News http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/04/13/usdom10482.htm I would encourage all of you to look into this. Thanks for your attention, Mike From nmwhitt at samford.edu Thu Jun 23 08:34:51 2005 From: nmwhitt at samford.edu (Nancy Whitt) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:34:51 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Religious Peace Tax Fund Message-ID: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:26:29 -0400 From: "Guy Pujol" Subject: [BPFNA] Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund Act To: "BPFNA Listserv" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yesterday I received an email from Democracy in Action with an update on the Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund Act. Originally I thought it was a post to this listserv, but it wasn't; so, I'm passing along some information... and hoping that those of you in the US have Representatives you can invite to sign on as co-sponsors to this bill. On May 25, 2005, Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) introduced the Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund Act [H.R. 2631] into the House. The full name (and synopsis) of the bill is: To affirm the religious freedom of taxpayers who are conscientiously opposed to participation in war, to provide that the income, estate, or gift tax payments of such taxpayers be used for nonmilitary purposes, to create the Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund to receive such tax payments, to improve revenue collection, and for other purposes. Currently, the bill has 35 co-sponsors and has been referred to the House Ways and Means Committee. Basically, this bill creates the ability for US taxpayers to declare themselves as conscientious objectors with regard to federal taxes and designate that your tax money cannot be used--in part or in whole--for any military purposes. Instead, your tax monies will be deposited to the Peace Tax Fund, which is managed by the Treasury, and then "allocated annually to any appropriation not for a military purpose." ["Military purposes" includes not only war and the armed forces, but also the National Security Council, foreign military aid, and other agencies & activities.] For the text of the Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund Act [Sec. 2: Findings, is worth reading!] and the current status of this bill, go to the THOMAS - Library of Congress website, http://thomas.loc.gov, and search for "Religious Freedom Peace Tax Fund Act" or HR 2631. Please review the list of current co-sponsors. If your Representative is not a co-sponsor, please write to her/him and ask that s/he co-sponsor this bill. If you Rep. is already a co-sponsor, please send her/him a thank you note and express your gratitude for her/his support of this meaningful piece of legislation. Guy PS The New York City Council is currently considering Resolution 367, a resolution in support of the Peace Tax Fund. It is the first [proposed] city council resolution in support of the Peace Tax Fund Act. If you live in NYC, please let your Councilperson know of your support for the Peace Tax Fund and encourage her/him to vote affirmatively for Res. 367. I'm through accepting limits 'Cuz someone says they're so Some things I cannot change But till I try, I'll never know --Elphaba in "Defying Gravity" from WICKED ------------------------ G. Guy Pujol, Jr. 63 Sycamore Station Decatur, GA 30030 404-371-9213 guypujol at mindspring.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BPFNA mailing list BPFNA at lists.earlham.edu http://lists.earlham.edu/mailman/listinfo/bpfna End of BPFNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 53 ************************************ From freepolazzo at comcast.net Thu Jun 23 13:24:35 2005 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:24:35 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Earth Charter and the new Energy Bill being considered Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050623131954.0355e030@mail.comcast.net> Hi Friends, In light of our Yearly Meeting's minute supporting the The Earth Charter, ( www.earthcharter.org ) this message from the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy (SACE) is very timely. SACE has a website with information on the energy bill being considered in congress. Please check it out and see what you are led to do about it. Blessings Free >Do you want to learn more about the Energy Bill than what the 30-second >coverage on the news tells you? >Visit the Take Action section of Southern Alliance for Clean Energy's >(SACE) website, www.cleanenergy.org. We are >tracking some key provisions as they are being considered for attachment >to the Senate's version of the Energy Bill, and we will update the page >daily to reflect key votes. > >Click here to go >directly to SACE's Energy Bill page. > >We hope this serves as a useful resource for you as you express your views >to your Senators and discuss events of the day with friends and family. >Please feel free to pass this link along to anyone you think would be >interested in the details of the Energy Bill. > >If this is your first time visiting our website, take the time to explore >the many resources we have available. Thank you for your support of a >clean energy future. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The most widely reported story this week with 15 instances in mid market new journals in the US: Quaker History/Business/Ethnic Diversity/Pioneer's life is dug up at Philadelphia's Independence Hall/Duluth News Tribune/Duluth/MN/USA/19-Jun-05/Knight Ridder A tie for the most widely reported story, perhaps, distributed in 5 major markets in the US and Asia was: Natural Science/Medicine///Deep, Dark Secrets of His and Her Brains/Los Angeles Times/Los Angeles/CA/USA/17-Jun-05/ ------------------ The most interesting story, to me, as well as the third most widely reported of the week, is: FCNL/War/Iraq//Breaking ranks/Asia Times Online/Hong Kond/China/Asia/21-Jun-05/ Friends might understand that even a Friends organization, might try to 'retire' those who break ranks and speak out. Another very interesting story is: Forgiveness/Recorded Ministry/Nelson, Nancy J./COLLEGE NOTES /Palladium-Item/Indianapolis/IN/USA/18-Jun-05/ The remaining stories showing the face of Quakerism this week are as follows: Category/Article Title/Source/City/Area/Region/Date/Wire Service Women/Mott, Lucretia//Birthplace of women?s equality/Charleston Sunday Gazette Mail/Charleston/WV/USA/19-Jun-05/ War/Iraq///Peace churches plan alternatives to draft/Bradenton Herald/Bradenton/FL/USA/19-Jun-05/Knight Ridder Simplicity////Living simply in a complicated world/Hickory Daily Record/Hickory/NC/USA/19-Jun-05/ Religious Diversity/Immigration/Meetinghouse/The Terrorism Case that Wasn't /The NewStandard/Syracuse/NY/USA/18-Jun-05/ Quaker Schools/Public Schools/Haverford//Winning students goal-oriented, passionate/Danbury News Times/Danbury/CT/USA/19-Jun-05/ Quaker Schools/Politics and Economics/Nationally, praise for the decision /Philadelphia Inquirer/Philadelphia/PA/USA/21-Jun-05/ Quaker Schools///Life in Haviland centers around schools, family and the barrel/Pratt Tribune/Pratt/KS/USA/15-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Penn, William//Slippery Rock historian finds state a keystone in Colonial history/Pittsburgh Post Gazette/Pittsburgh/PA/USA/18-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Natural Science/Medicine//In Perry, city has a gem/Pasadena Star-News/Pasadena/CA/USA/18-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Meetinghouse//Camden Friends open meetinghouse today for bicentennial .../The News Journal/Wilmington/DE/USA/21-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Immigration/Palmer, A. Mitchell/Morse: When terrorists hit Newton/Newton TAB/Newton/MA/USA/15-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Business///A pioneer family /Palladium-Item/Indianapolis/IN/USA/21-Jun-05/ Quaker History/Architecture//Spring Hill added to historic register/Loudoun Times-Mirror/Loudon/VA/USA/21-Jun-05/ Quaker History/American Revolution/Greene, Nathanael/Drama in the great outdoors/goTriad.com/Raleigh/NC/USA/15-Jun-05/ Public Schools/Honesty///Roast sends off retiring school chief/Rutland Herald/Rutland/VT/USA/19-Jun-05/ Peace Activity///They Starved So That Others Be Better Fed: Remembering Ancel Keys .../RedNova.com/Dallas/TX/USA/18-Jun-05/ Meetinghouse///Water works submits filtration plant plans/The Journal News.com/White Plains/NY/USA/18-Jun-05/ Environment/Pendle Hill//THE PLOWBOY INTERVIEW EUELL GIBBONS/Mother Earth News/ALL/ALL/USA/17-Jun-05/ Business /Pacifism///Cruisin' Oregon with the top down, then up/Los Angeles Times/Los Angeles/CA/USA/16-Jun-05/ Business/Horticulture/Hicks, Isaac/Fathers and sons rooted in LI soil /Newsday/Long Island/NY/USA/19-Jun-05/ Arts/Film///Capturing Rustin's life/Chicago Tribune/Chicago/IL/USA/22-Jun-05/ AFSC/Youth///CRLS grad declares run for School Comm./Cambridge Chronicle/Boston/MA/USA/16-Jun-05/ AFSC/War/Iraq//Gerson: Why I committed civil disobedience to stop the killing /Cambridge Chronicle/Cambridge/MA/USA/21-Jun-05/ AFSC/War/Iraq//Panelists question recruiting tactics /DesMoinesRegister.com/Des Moines/IA/USA/22-Jun-05/ AFSC/Politics and Economics/Iraq//Iraqi labor leader to hold Montpelier forum /Barre Montpelier Times Argus/Barre/VT/USA/21-Jun-05/ AFSC/International Conflict/Israel/Gaza/Metro Record /DesMoinesRegister.com/Des Moines/IA/USA/22-Jun-05/ AFSC/Immigration/Minuteman/Oceanside man severs Minuteman ties/North County Times/Ventura/CA/USA/21-Jun-05/ AFSC/Immigration/Activist//Immigrant activists blast conditions at detention center/Philadelphia Inquirer/Philadelphia/PA/USA/21-Jun-05/AP AFSC/Immigration//Police caution immigrant laborers against thieves/Vida en el Valle/Sacramento/CA/USA/22-Jun-05/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jhminshall at comcast.net Wed Jun 29 11:45:40 2005 From: jhminshall at comcast.net (Janet Minshall) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:45:40 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Re: Sweet victory ahead on debt relief? (regarding Quaker social concerns for the world's poor) Message-ID: Dear SAYMA Friends, This issue of he Quaker Economist and the correspondence below it are relevant to several conversations I had with SAYMA Friends at yearly meeting. As always, any response is welcome. Janet Minshall Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:32:49 -0400 To: afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com From: Janet Minshall Subject: Re: Sweet victory ahead on debt relief? (regarding Quaker concerns for the world's poor) Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Dear Friends, The Quaker Economist #125 has just come out and I reprint it here in response to a question from Joe Parko. (His message and my response to him are below the text of TQE 125.) In Peace, Janet Minshall X-Originating-IP: [192.203.178.14] Mailing-List: contact tqe-help at quaker.org; run by ezmlm X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list tqe at quaker.org Delivered-To: moderator for tqe at quaker.org Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dog; d=colorado.edu; b=dU5ejkIZZffor2421AhQnjpfcwD5Li7XzxudJiUXSQ2LzvEeKw23Ybm7hZZqPFWM ; Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:07:16 -0400 From: Jack Powelson To: The Quaker Economist Subject: The Quaker Economist, Letter No. 125 Reply-To: tqe-comment at quaker.org Leadings Inter-Mountain Yearly Meeting's keynote topic (2005) was "Leadings." Unfortunately, I missed the keynote speaker because I was taking Robin (my wife) to the hospital for a heart problem (she's OK now). But Friends were talking afterward about leadings, and I had many conversations. Every day, one young girl was wearing a traditional Quaker dress and bonnet. Why, I asked her? "Because," she replied with a smile, "God told me to." One Quaker said he favored forgiving debts of Third World countries, because "Jesus forgave." I wondered whether accepting the leadings of God or Jesus means that Quakers no longer think for ourselves. Let me illustrate. Minimum wage. Many Friends are led to demand a higher minimum wage, because workers do not earn enough on which to live. But the history of minimum wage shows that it causes unemployment, is racially prejudiced, brings inflation, and finally leaves the purchasing power of workers about where it was before. It does the first because, with higher wages to pay, employers shift to machines (like the computer) and fire (or fail to hire) workers. It does the second because the ones they fire (or do not hire) are usually the minorities against whom they are prejudiced. It does the third because workers culturally know their places in a hierarchy, and to keep them they demand higher wages up the line. It does the fourth because higher wages cause higher prices, and workers ultimately have no more purchasing power than earlier. (Yes, I'm an economist, and I know some economic history.) Though the sequence is not exact, all this is generally what has happened in economic history. In one case of higher minimum wages in the United States annually for two decades, the unemployment of Blacks went up from less than 10% to more than 40%. (Other factors may have been at work, but surely wages were one cause.) Forgiving debts. On June 11, the "Big Eight" agreed to cancel $40 billion of debts of many countries in Latin America and Africa to the World Bank and other international institutions, provided their governments agree to an anti-corruption campaign and other "good practices." "Everyone" agrees that these debts would never be paid anyway, but the countries were nevertheless paying interest annually (out of new loans from the Word Bank, of course). To prevent losses to international institutions (mainly the World Bank), the Big Eight governments promised them grants in compensation. A debt is a contract, and whoever breaks a contract, for whatever reason, becomes "branded" in the international debt market. That does not mean they may never borrow again, but it does mean that incoming investment will be curtailed, as it now is in Argentina and Bolivia. But investors do not believe that "good government practices" can be imposed by an outsider anyway (and neither do I). There is, however, a precedent in international law that a succeeding government may renege if a dictator borrows, pockets the money, and vanishes. BUT the Argentines defaulted on their government debt because of their own profligacy, and the Bolivian government canceled an unpopular water contract with a U.S. company. It was not a good contract, and the people were right to protest. But these exceptions matter little in the international economy. Debts must be paid and contracts honored, or much-needed foreign investment will not be forthcoming. One Quaker at IMYM told me he was "led" to forgive debts because "Jesus forgave." I wonder if Friends are led (by God or Jesus) to ask for policies that will damage the very countries they wish to protect. My proposal, instead, is to form an international bankruptcy court to determine, country by country, how much can be repaid and who will suffer the losses (just like a domestic bankruptcy court). Countries going bankrupt will be "branded" in international finance just as bankrupt people are branded in domestic finance, but that cannot be helped. Outsourcing. For decades the United States has been assisting Third-World countries financially. Now, suddenly, we are "outsourcing" jobs to, say, India. Outsourcing is the only way in which Indian wages can rise (the aid was minimal and helped little). Yet some are led to oppose outsourcing; we prefer to keep American jobs for American workers (and pay higher prices as a result). BTW: The very firms that outsource also "insource" by hiring more skilled foreign workers than the unskilled jobs they outsource. But outsourcing is not the only reason for unemployment. Our employment is held down by machinery (see two paragraphs above). The bank's teller machines make it unnecessary to hire so many live tellers, and online buying cuts down the number of store clerks needed. We do not seem to complain about these, however. Anti-globalization. Many Friends have leadings against globalization, thinking that if we globalize, multinational corporations (MNCs) will "rule" the world. In fact, those nations that have globalized (freeing trade and easing the entry for MNCs) are the very ones that have increased the income of their poor, while for those that have not done so, the poor remain in poverty. Consider the cases of South Korea versus North, or Taiwan and Hong Kong versus mainland China, or Singapore versus Indonesia. Multinational corporations. Many Friends are led to believe that MNCs abuse the poor abroad. In fact, MNCs provide jobs, raise wages (sometimes 100% higher), and supply social services (housing, education) much more than do local corporations. They follow this policy because it brings them the best workers. To most residents in less developed countries -- have you asked them? -- a job with an MNC is a plum. Keeping resources at home. So many Bolivians are protesting that newly-discovered gas should be kept in the ground and not sold to MNCs. As a result, that is where it remains, and the country is in an uproar. They say the price will rise in the future. But many economists think otherwise. First, it would have to increase about 7% a year to equal alternative investment possibilities. Second, some economists believe the price of gas will fall because alternative means of energy will be discovered. What are you led to believe? Work conditions in trade agreements. Many Friends are led to demand that trade agreements be conditioned on good working conditions and provision of social services. All well and good, except that history does not work that way. Historically, trade with others increases the incomes of both parties as well as trust for each other. Only when their incomes are increased do they provide the social services and higher wages. How to raise the incomes of the poor. Besides economic growth, the only way to increase the incomes of the poor in less developed countries is to improve their education and skills. In some ways this is happening, as in micro-lending. But it will not happen by Quakers (or others) being led to interfere with international policy in ways that seem "good" but ultimately are adverse to the poor. Sincerely your friend, Jack Powelson ================================================================ ABOUT THE QUAKER ECONOMIST RSVP: Write to "tqe-comment," followed by "@quaker.org" to comment on this or any future Letter. (I say "followed by" to interrupt the address, so it will not be picked up by spam senders.) Use as Subject the number of the Letter to which you refer. Permission to publish your comment is presumed unless you say otherwise. Please keep it short. Letters over approximately 100 words may be returned without being read. All published letters will be edited for spelling, grammar, clarity, and brevity. Please mention your home meeting, church, synagogue (or ...), and where you live. 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Editorial Board - Loren Cobb, Boulder (CO) Friends Meeting, Editor. - Chuck Fager, Director, Quaker House, Fayetteville, NC. - Virginia Flagg, San Diego (CA) Friends Meeting. - Valerie Ireland, Boulder (CO) Friends Meeting. - Jack Powelson, Boulder (CO) Meeting of Friends. - Norval Reece, Newtown (PA) Friends Meeting. - J.D. von Pischke, a Friend from Reston, VA. - John Spears, Princeton (NJ) Friends Meeting. - Geoffrey Williams, Attender at New York Fifteenth Street Meeting. Members of the Editorial Board receive Letters several days in advance for their criticism and comment, but they do not necessarily endorse the contents of any of them. ________________________________________________________ Copyright (c) 2005 by John P. Powelson. All rights reserved. Permission is hereby granted for non-commercial reproduction. Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:19:35 -0400 To: "Joe Parko" From: Janet Minshall Subject: Re: Fw: Sweet victory ahead on debt relief? Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hi Joe, I actually wrote about this a few years ago in the Winter 2001 issue of Friendly Woman in an article called "Economics, A Pop Quiz". In the article I used a series of statements gathered from Friends around the country, and then I responded to them. Statement 6 was: "We, as Friends, must support the iniative called Jubilee 2000 whose focus is to forgive the debts of countries around the world." My response was (and is) "It is clear that loans to many less developed countries (LDCs) were made inappropriately as the result of intense political pressure and/or inaccurate information obtained about the countries' ability to repay. Those loans should most certainly be written off by the lenders as "bad debts" and lending policies should be thoroughly reviewed to preclude repeating the same mistakes in the future. This reality has already been recognized in the highest echelons of global capitalism as the only practical alternative to resolve the ongoing problem of trying to collect debts which are actually uncollectable. If a country does not meet the requirements to become a borrower of funds for development, they should have ready access to development grants which do not have to be repaid. Friends need to be strongly supportive of such grants to the poorest countries. However, if a country legitimately qualifies and applies for a loan, for whatever purpose, that loan should be honored and repaid. Think about the process followed to teach people financial responsibility in this country. Credit is granted in small amounts and then a person's credit limit is increased on the basis of timely and reliable repayment. Is that unfair? Do we encourage young adults just starting out to take on as much debt as possible because the debts they undertake will be "forgiven" anyway?. No, that isn't the message we want to send, that isn't the example we want to set. What happens when well-intentioned people apply for and take on too much debt? We have a process called debt consolidation which allows people to receive free counseling and help (from Consumer Credit Counseling Service) on how best to pay off the debts they have contracted. Does it work? People who have been through the process tell me it works very well. If these are the standards we hold for honoring loans contracted among ourselves, are they not the processes we wish to share with other countries in process of development? Anything less would be patronizing. In addition, holding countries to their contracts to repay the debts they owe will work far better than wars to unseat exploitative leaders who divert resources aimed at bettering the lives of their people into their own pockets. Already several LDCs have arrested former leaders and officials to regain control of their economies." I don't think I can say it any better than that. Best Regards, Janet (Feel free to share this if you wish) Janet, What are your thoughts on this? I rely on you for Quakerly advice in the realm of economics. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nc_stereoman at charter.net Wed Jun 29 12:40:33 2005 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (steve livingston) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:40:33 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Re: Sweet victory ahead on debt relief? (blaming the victim) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C2CF01.8060505@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From freepolazzo at comcast.net Thu Jun 30 19:25:26 2005 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:25:26 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Addenda to TQE #125 Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050629201553.0352db60@mail.comcast.net> Dear Friends, Have you ever wondered by some countries seem better able to develop economies which support their citizens much better than other countries? Why are the countries from northeastern Europe (and countries settled by their descendants) and Japan better able to feed and clothe it's citizens than those of the other countries of the world? Friend Jack Powelson spent 20 years studying this concern and the result was the "Centuries of Economic Endevor" published in 1994 by the University of Michigan Press. Now, you can get this book (renamed" A History of Wealth and Poverty: Why Some Nations are Rich and Many Poor) on line for free. Way has opened for all to benefit from Jack's years of training and study as an economist and consultant to many governments around the world. Please check this important book out and pass on the link to others who wonder "Why?" or even "Why Not?". Blessings, Free > The Quaker Economist announces with pride and pleasure >the online publication of A History of Wealth and Poverty: >Why Some Nations are Rich and Many Poor, by Jack Powelson. > >Originally published in 1994 by the University of Michigan >Press as Centuries of Economic Endeavor, this new electronic >edition is now available to the public at no apparent cost. >It may be found at this link: > > http://tqe.quaker.org/wealth-and-poverty/ > > >Pacem in terra, > >Loren Cobb >Editor, The Quaker Economist