From bright_crow at mindspring.com Mon May 1 08:34:01 2006 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:34:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] Fifth Month Update: SEYMpeace.org Message-ID: <32208194.1146486841830.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, Please visit and share with others the monthly update to Southeastern Yearly Meeting's website for peace and social concerns: http://seympeace.org/ See in particular the "Thought for Fifth Month," citing Václav Havel, and some important new links at "What's NEW? http://seympeace.org/#NEW Thanks, Mike From Quakerkristi at aol.com Wed May 3 10:33:25 2006 From: Quakerkristi at aol.com (Quakerkristi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:33:25 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] QUIT update Message-ID: <247.ae28fad.318a1935@aol.com> Dear Friends-- Our Quaker Conference on Torture is filling up fast -- but there are STILL spaces open. If you've been thinking about attending, it is not too late. Time is growing short, though. The bad news about officially-sanctioned torture continues to leak out into the press. Yet there's also news about growing protests, even if you have to hunt for it: -- In North Carolina, activists are protesting the presence of a CIQA contractor company which has been making "rendition" flights for torture in secret prisons from a local airport. -- And in New York City on May 1, an interfaith group more than one hundred strong sat in at the UN mission to the United Nations, demanding the shutdown of the Guantanamo torture prison camp. Many were ready to face arrest there, but UN officials declined to ask for their removal. -- In Washington, a national religious campaign for the abolition of torture is taking shape, and will be ready to launch soon. -- And in less than a month, on June 2-4, Quakers will gather at Guilford College to hammer out the beginning of their role in what promises to be a long, demanding labor of love and witness. We'll be talking about all of these and more at the conference. As I write, more than 80 Friends have signed up, and registrations are continuing to come in. We figure we can handle around 150 for this initial gathering. With expert speakers, workshops, resources, worship, and networking -- we'll be laying the groundwork for a national -- make that international Quaker network aimed at ending this abominable practice, no matter what government or insurgent group practices it. And you can still join us. We are urging local Meetings to send Friends to Greensboro on their behalf, to bring back information and motivation. With this conference, Friends can begin to take their rightful place in a broad, long-term work to end torture. This is a burden of our time, which we dare not shirk. This conference is being organized by QUIT, the Quaker Initiative to End Torture. It has been endorsed by numerous monthly and yearly meetings. Major support has also come from the Friends World Committee for Consultation-Section of the Americas. More information and a registration form is at our website: www.quit-torture-now.org Will you join us at Guilford? There's much to do. There is still time to register, but the clock is ticking.. And please pass this message on to others. In the Light, John Calvi calvij at sover.net 802/387-4789 PO Box 301 Putney VT 05346 USA www.johncalvi.com www.quit-torture-now.org John Calvi calvij at sover.net 802/387-4789 PO Box 301 Putney VT 05346 USA www.johncalvi.com www.quit-torture-now.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aCertainGirl at charter.net Thu May 11 19:48:53 2006 From: aCertainGirl at charter.net (Deanna Nipp) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:48:53 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Bookstore at SAYMA Yearly Meeting Message-ID: <001701c67555$781dd9d0$f0aa9e18@D714S421> Greetings, Friends, The bookstore will again be open during SAYMA's Yearly Meeting. Y-a-a-a-y! I would like to line up some volunteers to staff it in advance if possible. Here are the dates and times. Thursday, June 8 6:00 - 6:45 PM 9:30 - 10:30 PM Friday, June 19 11:00 AM - 12 noon 1:00 - 2:15 PM 2:15 - 3:30 PM 3:30 - 5:00 PM 6:00 - 6:45 PM 9:30 - 10:30 PM Saturday, June 10 1:00 - 2:15 PM 2:15 - 3:30 PM 3:30 - 5:00 PM 6:00 - 6:45 PM 9:30 - 10:30 PM Sunday, June 13 9 AM - 12 noon (repack for shipment) If you would like a chance to "mind the store," contact me at aCertainGirl at charter.net and let me know your name, e-mail address, and time(s) you would like to serve. I still say it's a wonderful thing to be in a room filled with books and Quakers! See you in June. Peace, Deanna Nipp SAYMA Bookstore Coordinator aCertainGirl at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huberfeely at yahoo.com Fri May 12 14:38:46 2006 From: huberfeely at yahoo.com (Heidemarie Huber-Feely) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [saymaListserv] JYM needs volunteers, items on loan Message-ID: <20060512183846.73484.qmail@web33913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, Stephen and I are looking forward to seeing so many of your warm and friendly faces at the gathering, only one month away! Time is flying, and I'm busy full-time planning a wonderful program for the children of JYM, to let them know they are special and help them experience God's love for them in the beauty of Creation. I'm looking forward to getting to know each child as much as possible, and my children are looking forward to connecting to friends they met last year and making new ones. It will be a time when we can provide for each other a wonderful experience of Love and Light! I would like to announce to everyone that JYM needs a few volunteers and some materials on loan for the program. Volunteer needs: Thursday 3:30-4:30p.m. 2 or more volunteers during the swim hour to help the little guys who can't swim yet enjoy the water safely. Friday 9:00-10:00 a.m. 2 volunteers: one to help Stephen take one group of children down the nature trail, another to help Heide- marie with the other group inside. Friday 1 - 3:00p.m. 2-3 volunteers so that Heidemarie can be with the little guys taking naps or resting inside while the rambunctious big guys have a choice of high energy outdoor fun. Friday 3:00 - 4:30 2 or more to help kids into swim suits and allow the little guys to have fun in the water with safety. Saturday 9:00-10:00a.m. Same as Friday 9-10 (2 to help with nature program) Saturday 1 - 2:30 Same as Friday (2-3 to help with outdoor playtime) Sunday 9:00-10:00 Same as Friday 9-10 (2 to help with nature program) Anyone interested in singing songs, telling stories or other entertainment, you are welcome to come anytime in the evening. Evening JYM is from 7-9:00p.m. All are invited to join us for INTERGENERATIONAL COOPERATIVE GAMES on Saturday, 2:30-5:00 p.m.! Material needs: We need to borrow for the program the following: 1. Portable CD player (only adults will use); 2. A large round or oval rug; 3. 2 floor lamps with incandescent light bulbs; 4. a big stack of newspapers (for covering the tables for arts and crafts) Thank you very much! Look forward to seeing you next month. Peace be with you, Heidemarie --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! 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Narrow Ridge Executive Director Job Description Qualifications: 1. Knowledge of and commitment to Narrow Ridge purpose, mission, charter and by-laws; ability to articulate Narrow Ridge purpose and mission effectively to internal and external constituencies. 2. Training and/or experience in Earth Literacy, permaculture, environmental education, or related area. 3. Training and/or experience in non-profit organizational leadership, to include working effectively with a board of directors and various other tasks of non-profit work such as fund- raising, grant-writing, and budget management; marketing, special event planning, program planning and evaluation; staff supervision and development; public relations and communications. 4. Training and/or experience in sustainability theory and practice, renewable energy sources, permaculture, land conservancy, and land trusts. 5. Ability to plan, gain funding for, coordinate, and evaluate successful programs expressing the Narrow Ridge purpose and mission. 6. Ability to update and maintain the Narrow Ridge computer database program with new information. Ability to use electronic mail. 7. Knowledge of and ability to approach and work with institutions of higher learning, other Earth literacy centers, environmental and land conservancy organizations sharing our mission, grassroots community groups, intentional communities, eco-villages, strategic people, organizations, and non-profit networks to further the mission and purpose of Narrow Ridge and to increase public awareness and support. 8. Preferred but not required: advanced degree; membership in a land trust or Eco-village; participation in a wilderness fast or vision quest; knowledge of upper Tennessee Valley bioregion. Duties: 1. 20 hours per week including a minimum of 10 hours in the Narrow Ridge office. Time may increase as finances with Narrow Ridge growth and as determined by the Board of Directors. 2. Directly accountable to the Board Chairperson in coordination with the Board of Directors. Attend quarterly Board of Directors meetings and other Narrow Ridge committee meetings. Provide bi-weekly activity reports documentation to the Board Chairperson for the first three months then monthly after that. 3. Supervise and evaluate the work of Narrow Ridge staff; recruit and supervise volunteers and interns. Keep track of volunteer hours. Recommend job candidates for hiring or for termination of current staff to the Personnel Committee. 4. Work with Board Treasurer and book-keeper to prepare reports on Narrow Ridge programs and finances for quarterly meetings of board. 5. In collaboration with the Education Committee; plan, coordinate, broaden and evaluate comprehensive programs, events and activities authorized by the Board of Directors. Build and broaden volunteer and intern programs and opportunities to include support of the Narrow Ridge purpose and mission, assist with events and activities authorized by the Board of Directors. 6. In collaboration with the Fundraising Committee, seek out, apply for, and obtain external funding for Narrow Ridge as a collective whole; build membership in Friends of Narrow Ridge; give special attention to securing the financial stability for Narrow Ridge both short-term and long-term. 7. In collaboration with the Facilities Committee Chair, monitor the status of Narrow Ridge buildings and properties to insure they are kept in good operating condition. 8. In collaboration with the Land Trust Committee, build and maintain a positive relationship between Narrow Ridge and the associated land trusts/holders association; implement Narrow Ridge programs in land conservancy and land trusts for Grainger County and the surrounding region. 9. Lead recruitment efforts to insure full enrollment in Narrow Ridge programs; develop a network for recruiting participants for Narrow Ridge programs through internet, phone calls, letters, and personal visits. 10. Coordinate Public Relations by promoting Narrow Ridge through sending out a Narrow Ridge newsletter at least 2 times per year, writing articles about Narrow Ridge for area newspapers; coordinating Narrow Ridge's presence and participation in Knoxville-area Earth Day activities and Community Shares events; responding to inquiries that come in from the public by email, phone, letter, or in person; creating a database of e-mails and a list serve, and participating in appropriate professional and community organizations related to Narrow Ridge purpose and mission. 11. Coordinate facility rentals. 12. Build community relationships with neighbors surrounding Narrow Ridge. 13. Recommendations to Board in regards to future Narrow Ridge needs. Compensation: Commensurate with education and experience. There is no overtime, but hours overworked may receive compensation time. The board is committed to the goal of compensating all staff at a fair and equitable level. Terms of Appointment: The first three months constitute a probation period during which the Board can terminate without cause and the employee can leave without having to give four weeks notice. There will be a 6 month review, then a one year review. Reviews will occur yearly from there after. Employment may be terminated immediately for cause (harassment, financial misconduct, sexual harassment, and bullying). The employee may resign at any time with 4 weeks notice. To apply: Submit a resume along with a cover letter. Include the names, addresses, and phone numbers of 3 work references. Consideration of applicants will begin immediately and continue until June 15, 2006 or until a suitable candidate is found. Narrow Ridge is an equal opportunity employer. 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I'm not disabled, can walk on my own, I just don't have my liscence back. Jennifer Snow Wolff ____________________________________ current email: snowolff at earthlink.net Address: 2112 Bethlehem Rd., Raleigh, NC 27610 Phone: (919) 261-0084 E-FAX: 1-(253) 650-2180 toll free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moriah at preferred.com Thu May 18 11:54:47 2006 From: moriah at preferred.com (Mary Calhoun) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:54:47 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] RSVP / Listening Project Message-ID: <014e01c67a96$89c4ffb0$b9637642@SAYMA> ----- Original Message ----- From: Herb Walters, RSVP / Listening Project Dear Friends, The Gulf Coast Listening Project GCLP, under the direction of RSVP, has been interviewing Hurricane Katrina evacuees for the past few months in Atlanta, Birmingham and Columbia, S.C. As you know, Friends have been providing leadership at every level of this project. Attached is an update of our work. The focus of our interviews is on the immediate needs as well as the issues of race and inequality that have impacted the lives of Katrina evacuees and survivors. Our ultimate goal is to support the survivors and to enable their voices to become catalysts for social change in our country. Our short term goals is to complete and process or interviews so they can be released in a national media campaign on the first anniversary of the Katrina disaster (late August, early Sept.). We feel that the in-depth interviews we have conducted, along with pictures of interviewees who have given permission for their use -- will be invaluable tools of re-educating the public about the needs and issues of Katrina survivors. We are hoping to receive a grant in June that will provide some funding to do this campaign but what we are lacking thus far is a campaign coordinator with experience and skills in doing this kind of work. Thus we are looking for someone to fill that role. If you are interested or you can recommend someone, please contact me right away. Thanks very much for your help. Herb Walters, director RSVP / Listening Project Training and Resource Center 2965 White Oak Road, Burnsville, NC 28714 Tel>: 828-675-4626; Web: www.listeningproject.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Quakerkristi at aol.com Sat May 20 09:00:29 2006 From: Quakerkristi at aol.com (Quakerkristi at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:00:29 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Fw: Epistle from Ireland Yearly Meeting 2006.doc Message-ID: <467.eb2cb6.31a06ced@aol.com> Not sure what to do with all the epistles I get....but I thought the listserve allows a place to share them more widely. They tell me that there are more of us out there...widely and thinly spread, but we are alive....Kristi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Mary Calhoun" Subject: Fw: Epistle from Ireland Yearly Meeting 2006.doc Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:13:55 -0400 Size: 25144 URL: From snowolff at earthlink.net Sat May 20 09:15:10 2006 From: snowolff at earthlink.net (Jennifer Snow Wolff) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:15:10 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: RSVP / Listening Project Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060520090941.03754b20@earthlink.net> As I read about Katrina victims who need a home, I think that I have a home with an entire second floor available, all I need are housemates with a car and the ability to drive the car. I live in my home, in the country, don't drive so cannot get out and around. My brother and Legal Guardian has asked for a court date on June 23rd to determine if I am to be forced to sell my house and move to Ohio. I'd rather not move if I could find someone to live with me who drives. I live on SS disabilty and Food Stamps and work out of my home. Jennifer Snow Wolff > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Herb Walters, RSVP / >Listening Project > > >Dear Friends, > >The Gulf Coast Listening Project GCLP, under the direction of >RSVP, has been interviewing Hurricane Katrina evacuees for the past >few months in Atlanta, Birmingham and Columbia, S.C. As you know, >Friends have been providing leadership at every level of this >project. Attached is an update of our work. > >The focus of our interviews is on the immediate needs as well as the >issues of race and inequality that have impacted the lives of >Katrina evacuees and survivors. Our ultimate goal is to support the >survivors and to enable their voices to become catalysts for social >change in our country. > >Our short term goals is to complete and process or interviews so >they can be released in a national media campaign on the first >anniversary of the Katrina disaster (late August, early Sept.). We >feel that the in-depth interviews we have conducted, along with >pictures of interviewees who have given permission for their use -- >will be invaluable tools of re-educating the public about the needs >and issues of Katrina survivors. We are hoping to receive a grant in >June that will provide some funding to do this campaign but what we >are lacking thus far is a campaign coordinator with experience and >skills in doing this kind of work. Thus we are looking for someone >to fill that role. If you are interested or you can recommend >someone, please contact me right away. > >Thanks very much for your help. >Herb Walters, director >RSVP / Listening Project Training and Resource Center >2965 White Oak Road, Burnsville, NC 28714 >Tel>: 828-675-4626; Web: >www.listeningproject.info > > >_______________________________________________ >Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: >-- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get >off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma >-- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net ____________________________________ current email: snowolff at earthlink.net Address: 2112 Bethlehem Rd., Raleigh, NC 27610 Phone: (919) 261-0084 E-FAX: 1-(253) 650-2180 toll free -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nc_stereoman at charter.net Sat May 20 10:20:13 2006 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (Steve Livingston) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:20:13 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: Fw: Epistle from Ireland Yearly Meeting 2006.doc In-Reply-To: <467.eb2cb6.31a06ced@aol.com> References: <467.eb2cb6.31a06ced@aol.com> Message-ID: <446F259D.5000509@charter.net> Thanks for posting this, Kristi. I find the epistle very thought-provoking, esp. the paragraphs concerning diverse beliefs and homosexuality. I particularly favor the general theme that we Friends benefit from being open to hearing new ideas but mindful of testing them in the context of faith rather than fashion. Steve From freepolazzo at comcast.net Mon May 22 07:54:15 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (free polazzo) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:54:15 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fwd: SAYMA F&P revisions from Nashville & my request for meeting on June 8th AM Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522074701.03314cd0@comcast.net> Dear Comittee to Revise SAYMA's Faith and Practice, Below find a minute from Nashville MM that I'd like us to discuss before YM on Thursday's YM business session. Please let me know if you can make a meeting on Thursday 10 AM,. on June 8th at Warren Wilson? If we can get together enough people, I'd like to see what we wish to do with the Minute from Nashville and from Swannanoa Valley Meetings. (and any others we may get between now and then). Blessings, Free >X-Originating-IP: [205.152.59.70] >X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 >(webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) >X-Originating-IP: [72.150.108.110] >From: >To: >Subject: SAYMA F&P revisions >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:56:47 -0400 > >(This message was originally sent May 15, but I misspelled your >e-mail address. My apologies - John Potter) > >Hi, Free > >On May 14, 2006, the Nashville Friends Meeting had a called meeting >to review and discuss the proposed revisions to the SAYMA Faith and Practice. > >The meeting has the following three suggestions on the section under >Forming a worship group (p. 6 of the eight-page handout). > >a) Add the parenthetical word "(pairing)" as shown in the following sentence >"A group that meets regularly for worship after the manner of >friends and desires to be affiliated with SAYMA as a worship group >must establish an association (pairing) with an existing monthly meeting." > >[comment: The above addition provides a reference point for the >second sentence under subsection 2 where the phrase "...identify >appropriate pairings..." appears.] > > >b) In subsection 2, delete the word "new" and the word "even" in the >second sentence (or possibly replace the word "even" with the word >"especially": > >(original sentence) >"M&N is also available to work with meetings and nearby new worship >groups even where there are raw feelings or issues to be resolved to >create communities in a spirit of love." > >(version 1 of proposed revised sentence) >"M&N is also available to work with meetings and nearby worship >groups where there are raw feelings or issues to be resolved to >create communities in a spirit of love." > >(version 2 of proposed revised sentence) >"M&N is also available to work with meetings and nearby worship >groups especially where there are raw feelings or issues to be >resolved to create communities in a spirit of love." > >[comment: We believe that M&N is available for worship groups of any >age - new or old. Also, we believe that when raw feelings exist >between a worship group and a monthly meeting, the mediation of the >M&N committee is perhaps more important.] > >All other proposed changes were approved by Nashville Monthly Meeting. > >I hope these comments are sufficiently clear. Please contact me if >you have any questions. > >Regards, >John Potter >Clerk, Nashville Friends Meeting From pennywright at earthlink.net Mon May 22 15:04:53 2006 From: pennywright at earthlink.net (Penelope Wright) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:53 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Hibbard Thatcher's update 5/19 Message-ID: <004301c67dd2$adf708d0$78451342@user2ih5nie4yp> Hibbard was brought to meeting for worship on Mother's Day and joined in the singing! PFW Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Hibbard Thatcher's update 5/19 > Hello again, > > This is a group emailing to many people who are close to Hibbard and > Ruby Thatcher through family or activities. Many of you belong to > groups like the Friends Meeting, Nashville Country Dancers, or Sacred > Harp singing with Hibbard, and if you wish to edit this appropriately > and send it out to other members of those groups we would appreciate > it. (And we strongly recommend 'Bcc' copying for group emails like this > one to avoid spreading addresses around. Email us if you're not sure > how to set this up--it can help prevent Windows viruses and spam email > from spreading.) > > ****** > > Friday, May 19, 2006 > > > Hibbard has moved from Vanderbilt Stallworth to the NHC skilled > nursing facility in Cool Springs. He had an excellent stay at > Stallworth, made many friends there, and made a lot of progress. He > says that he's very pleased with the level of care at NHC, and when I > spoke with him this morning he was on his way out to his round of > physical therapy. Every time I speak with him he is stronger, and he > is clearly determined to rebuild his strength and abilities. > > He continues to have difficulty swallowing, which prevents him from > eating, which makes it more difficult for him to regain weight and > muscle mass, but the electrical 'Vital Stim' therapy seems to be > helping, albeit slowly. Once he can eat food normally he may > progress more rapidly. > > Hibbard would certainly welcome visits, and I know he treasures the > time so many of you have made to see him. Cool Springs is easy to > get to via > I-65 or (with a number of stoplights) Franklin Road. > > The current address and phone number: > > Hibbard Thatcher > Room 1311 > NHC > 211 Cool Springs Blvd > Franklin, TN 37067 > > Hibbard's direct room telephone (and he loves hearing from you!) is > 615-778-6921. > > I was last in Nashville two weeks ago, and I hope to get back next > week. Jon Thatcher will be visiting from California next week. > > For the family, > > > Alan Thatcher > > > > From jhminshall at comcast.net Mon May 22 15:06:10 2006 From: jhminshall at comcast.net (Janet Minshall) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:06:10 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Ken Spitze Column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522145549.0247c598@comcast.net> Dear Atlanta Meeting and SAYMA Friends, I have written in the past about economics and how we find "the Truth" on issues which affect our lives and social/spiritual actions. This column speaks truth clearly. I hope you will pass it on the next time you get an off-the-wall e-mail suggestion for addressing an economic/ political issue. Peace, Janet Minshall Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:31:36 EDT Subject: My column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices To: KenSpitzeDemocrat at yahoo.com X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO Economics 101: How (Not) to Lower Gas Prices By Ken Spitze By now, I imagine many, if not most, of you have seen one of the many ways that we can supposedly lower gas prices by following some very simple strategy. One of the early ones that I saw a few years ago claimed that if we all bought gas only on odd-numbered days, oil companies would "choke on their oversupply" and would be forced to lower prices. One of the versions of this "strategy" claims that if we all refuse to buy from ExxonMobil, they would be forced to lower their gas price and all other companies would be forced to follow suit. This scheme was so convincing that the Bee County, Texas County Commission actually passed a resolution urging citizens to boycott ExxonMobil stations. The most recent one I've seen is a lengthy story about shoppers and shop owners and egg producers. It goes through a meticulously story and argument that boils down to this simple recommendation: if we all just buy a half-tank of gas each time we go to the service station, we'll drive down the price of gas. These are but a few of the many schemes that are circulating via the Internet and are undoubtedly making it into newspapers, discussions among friends and barbershop gossip. Let me state categorically that they are all completely illogical: they will in no way have an effect on the price of gasoline. Perhaps the most fundamental relationship in economics is between supply and demand and price. "Demand" refers to the sum total of something that all of us buy. The only way to lower prices from "our" side of the economy is to lower demand, that is, to buy less. Let's look at these schemes one by one so that we can examine what the story purports will happen, what will actually happen, and what will be the effect. I hope that my readers will get a bit more understanding of this basic economic principle so that they can recognize these "easy solution stories" as they continue to circulate in existing and (undoubtedly) new forms. If we don't buy gas on even-numbered days, but don't reduce our consumption, then we simply buy twice as much as before on even-numbered days. Our overall purchases, and therefore our overall demand, will remain unchanged. What isn't sold on odd-numbered days will be there and sold on even-numbered days. At the end of every two-day period, the stations will be in exactly the same state whether this "strategy" is followed or it is not. This will have absolutely no effect of the overall demand for gasoline, and will not affect price. The "boycott ExxonMobil" story is a bit more complicated. To understand what will happen, we simply have to realize that if the overall quantity of gasoline we purchase is unchanged, then whatever isn't bought from ExxonMobil will be bought from some other company. ExxonMobil will simply sell their gas to other companies. The overall demand in this "strategy" is completely unaffected. That is, the overall amount we purchase will be unchanged. Therefore the price of gas will not be affected. The "egg" story is complex. It is lengthy and goes through a series of supposed interactions between a shopper at a local store, the store's purchasing behavior with the distributor and the huge producer replete with egg-laying chickens. As I said above, the whole scenario supposedly justifies the notion that if we all buy just a half-tank of gas each time we go to the service station, that this will somehow result in an oversupply. To understand the true consequence of this "strategy", one simply has to realize that buying two half-tanks of gas each week is exactly the same as buying a full tank once a week. It will have absolutely no effect on overall demand, that is, no effect on the amount we purchase, and therefore will not affect prices. The insidious thing about all these schemes is that people believe them and adopt the "strategy" think they are doing something to drive the price of gas down. They are fooled into thinking that there is some easy way to accomplish this. Most importantly, they are fooled into thinking that there is some way that they help lower gas prices without really modifying their behavior in any meaningful way. Whatever energy they had intended to devote to helping lower gas prices is simply wasted on these hoaxes. If you run across any other stories like these, go to www.snopes.com to see if it is, in fact, yet another "urban legend". Very intelligent people fall victim to these hoaxes. The intricate details and seeming earnestness of these schemes have time and time again successfully fooled our smartest friends and neighbors. The question that arises is: What is the purpose of these scams and who is creating them? My Guess? I'd bet that these stories originated within the major oil companies themselves. If you were employed by ExxonMobil's PR division and wanted to divert the anger people feel toward oil companies for the current high prices, what might you do? If your personal ethics were somewhat suspect, you might very well concoct such schemes in an effort to get people to believe that they were doing something meaningful when in fact they were doing nothing at all. How can we really lower the price of gas? Well, let's start with the basic answer from economic theory: we must lower demand. If we truly did buy a half-tank of gas each week instead of a whole tank, we would lower demand. If we would park our cars on even-numbered days and walk or bike or ride the bus, we would lower demand. If we bought cars that got more miles per gallon and drove the same number of miles, we would lower demand. In truth, there are some relatively simple ways to lower demand, but none are "magical". First published in the Carroll Star News on May 14, 2006. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrldpeas at mindspring.com Mon May 22 17:16:25 2006 From: wrldpeas at mindspring.com (Roy H Taylor III) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:16:25 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] [afmdiscussion] Ken Spitze Column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522145549.0247c598@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c67de4$fbee9410$6701a8c0@roy> Dear Janet, While I agree that all the schemes mentioned are worthless and that if we truely reduced demand it would have an effect on the price but that doesn't tell the whole story of gas pricing. Gas is being traded as a commodity and the bets are that gas prices will go up so the futures market has all of the buying at inflated prices. This reinforces the notion of higher prices. Except for a brief period during the Hurricane aftermath last fall the ability to deliver full quantities has been available. While our use of gas remains on a gradual increase it is not happening fast enough to justify the current increases that we have been experiencing. If increases in refinining costs and delivery costs of the increased demand were all present the level of record profits would not be occurring. What to do. Agree to tax oursevles for the use of gas to pay for the means to reduce using gas. Fund renewable energy development, fund public transportation. fund conservation measures such as green buildings that use only half the energy of what conventional buildings use. Fund transportation concepts such as carbon fiber concept cars that are stronger than steel, weigh less than half and go twice as far as our current cars. (with a hybrid engine they would be getting over 100 mpg, all with off the shelf technology that we have today) And fund research into solutions that haven't even been thought of yet. We just have to collectively want to. Roy To: KenSpitzeDemocrat at yahoo.com Economics 101: How (Not) to Lower Gas Prices By Ken Spitze How can we really lower the price of gas? Well, let's start with the basic answer from economic theory: we must lower demand. If we truly did buy a half-tank of gas each week instead of a whole tank, we would lower demand. If we would park our cars on even-numbered days and walk or bike or ride the bus, we would lower demand. If we bought cars that got more miles per gallon and drove the same number of miles, we would lower demand. In truth, there are some relatively simple ways to lower demand, but none are "magical". First published in the Carroll Star News on May 14, 2006. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jhminshall at comcast.net Mon May 22 21:29:19 2006 From: jhminshall at comcast.net (Janet Minshall) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:29:19 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] [afmdiscussion] Ken Spitze Column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002401c67df2$10de9ca0$6101a8c0@amd1gig> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522145549.0247c598@comcast.net> <002401c67df2$10de9ca0$6101a8c0@amd1gig> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522212208.0243a9e8@comcast.net> Hi Julia, Thanks for your response. I have one question about ethanol. Someone with the information is probably on this list and can answer it for me. Is the burning of ethanol any cleaner and less polluting than the burning of gasoline? Janet Minshall From jhminshall at comcast.net Tue May 23 10:07:24 2006 From: jhminshall at comcast.net (Janet Minshall) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:07:24 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <001e01c67de4$fbee9410$6701a8c0@roy> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522145549.0247c598@comcast.net> <001e01c67de4$fbee9410$6701a8c0@roy> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522200946.024211e8@comcast.net> Hi Roy, Thanks for your response and "yes" to all of your suggestions about "what to do". You understand supply and demand, the issue that Spitze's column addresses. But if you think the price of gasoline and oil won't go up you are probably mistaken. The futures markets have, in the past, been more often right than wrong -- certainly more often right than economists who make predictions out of their accumulated knowledge rather than out of the immediate experience of "what the market will bear". The futures markets function on the theory of "the wisdom of crowds" -- using input from many, many more people than participate in our elections. No, there has been no shortfall in supply yet. But it will come as China and India and the rest of the developing world begin to buy more and more to satisfy their perceived needs. At the moment the prices are falling because the supply channels are full to overflowing -- that is, we have more oil and gasoline (and natural gas) on tap than we need right now. But that is a temporary phenomenon. Gulf oil production is still down 13% from last year's hurricanes. The prediction is for more and stronger hurricanes this year. When supply will actually fall short of demand is unpredictable. Futures markets trade successively in a good news/bad news context. As long as the news is good, as long as the supply is adequate to meet the demand, gasoline and oil prices will remain steady to down, but when the news gets bad we will all know it by the prices paid for gasoline and, next winter, for heating oil (and natural gas). Best Regards, Janet Minshall At 05:16 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: What to do? >Agree to tax oursevles for the use of gas to pay for the means to >reduce using gas. Fund renewable energy development, fund public >transportation. fund conservation measures such as green buildings >that use only half the energy of what conventional buildings >use. Fund transportation concepts such as carbon fiber concept cars >that are stronger than steel, weigh less than half and go twice as >far as our current cars. (with a hybrid engine they would be getting >over 100 mpg, all with off the shelf technology that we have today) >And fund research into solutions that haven't even been thought of yet. >We just have to collectively want to. >Roy From jewen at bellsouth.net Mon May 22 18:50:03 2006 From: jewen at bellsouth.net (Julia Ewen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:50:03 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] [afmdiscussion] Ken Spitze Column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522145549.0247c598@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002401c67df2$10de9ca0$6101a8c0@amd1gig> Janet wrote in part: >>One of the versions of this "strategy" claims that if we all refuse to buy from ExxonMobil, they would be forced to lower their gas price and all other companies would be forced to follow suit. This scheme was so convincing that the Bee County, Texas County Commission actually passed a resolution urging citizens to boycott ExxonMobil stations. This is absolutely right! And your other exampes are too, Janet. ExxonMobile was the focus of most of the ones I saw because of a belief that ExxonMobile distributed most of the oil that came out of the Middle East or had the biggest percent of its oil coming out of the Middle East, and therefore if we wanted to discourage war for oil in the Middle East we should boycott ExxonMobile. This is also a pointless strategy. As Janet pointed out in her essay, the oil companies buy and sell among themselves so much, and so do the speculators, that by the time it gets to us, it is anybody's guess as to where your particular gallon of gas originated in the world. And even if that were not so, there are a limited number of refineries and pipelines, where the oil sources are co-mingled in the refining and distribution. Much of what comes through the pipeline to Atlanta, even, is co-mingled, and the oil companies load it into trucks painted different colors--but all of it has oil in it from the Middle East. And what we do at the pump impacts far more directly on the station operator than on the oil companies, which have a lot of other customers elsewhere in the world. China and India and Koren will be glad to slurp up whatever we don't buy. Whereas the station operator gets about 10 cents out of every gallon of gas we buy, and it matters to him whether he gets that dime or the station on the other corner. The station owners have to make an exclusive contractual deal with a particular oil company, and it is not all that easy to turn yourself from an Exxon outlet into,say a BP outlet. You certainly can't do it every time there's a price advantage with a competing oil company. It is rather like the college campus food concession, not like the food court at the mall!! (Independent operators used to have some flexibility about suppliers, but the big oil companies have largely succeeded in running them out of business. Today your gas station operator likely either owns a franchise from an oil company or runs a station owned directly by the oil company. If he does not post prices as ordered by the company, he may find himself short on his next delivery...much as he want your dime, he cannot sell you gasoline that he does not have. Meanwhile the guy across the street is taking his business. And some customers never come back. If you were him, who would you want to please most...???) There are basically two factors currently driving the price of oil at the pump that IMHO have rather more impact than the price at the well head: (1) refining capacity and costs and (2) speculation on the commodities market There is not at present a world or USA shortage of crude oil! The disruptions of war have some effect on supplies,( but mostly on the commodities market) Prior to our invasion of Iraq, we were getting only a trickle of crude oil from Iraq anyway--it was under sanctions, and the "oil for food" program was barely oozing crude out of Iraq. Venezuela's President cut USA oil companies back. But Venzuela alone does not hold a "swing vote" in the market setting of prices...It is not the supply of crude that is the problem! Nor even entirely the demand at the pump! At the outset of the war I saw a press release from the Saudis saying that they were still pumping at pre-war rates and willing to pump more. But they said that was not the problem. The US refineries were unable to handle more, even if they did pump it. They asserted they had offered to help by investing money in refineries in their own country--and here in the USA--but they had been turned down in regard to financing more American refineries! We also saw that in the Gulf Coast hurricane disatsters that refineries and pipelines being taken off-line were the cause of drastic dislocations in the market. With demand so high and climbing, why, if market forces are operating freely, would the oil companies not want to modernize or build new refineries? Because that requires a substantial outlay of cash, which the profit margin of the refinery operation would not pay back for many years. Refining is the highest cost-lowest profit component of the industry. Most of the difference between the price of crude straight out of the ground and your gallon of gas are in the refining and distribution and marketing, under normal conditions. This brings us to factor (2) speculation. If you know how the stock market works, you can understand how speculation works: when people buy and sell stock, the actual paper is not often handed back and forth. Trades between buyers and seller are recorded at a central clearing center called the "stock exchange". There is a similar market in Chicago for commodities. Current oil stock is bought and sold there (the actual barrel of oil is not delivered to the speculator. He gets rid of the paper before the product delivery date!) What really drives speculation is the buying and selling of "futures"--contracts for delivery of oil that has not yet even been pumped out of the ground. It is a gambling game. The buyer of a "future" contract hopes that hehas puchased the oil for less than its market value will be at the time it is being pumped and sent to market. The seller hopes that the price he has been paid today will be better than the price he could get if he sold it the day it is pumped out of the ground. The prices of these futures affect the oil that is sitting around in inventory awaiting processing and delivery to the gas pumps. What your gas station operator pays is not the actual value of the barrel of oil that your gallon of gas came from. It is based on the very highly speculative price of the NEXT gallon of gas he will have to buy to replace the galon that he just sold to you. During the gasoline crisis under Carter in the 1970's emergency measures were taken to require the station operator to base his price on his last delivery, not on his next. Those regulations expired a number of years ago. Perhaps they should be brought back. It might help. If coupled with less actual usage, prices would tend to be a bit more stable and speculation would be a little less attractive. As it is, the wide swings in prices on the futures market make it one of the hottest spots for people with lots of cash. And the big bull market in stocks has both corporations and individual stock owners awash in it! With stocks cooling, and bond yields not all that hot, commodities--and oil in particular--look attractive to people who know that they are doing. Which is NOT MANY OF US! The more people buy and sell in this "imaginary" realm of nonexistent (at present) barrells of oil, the higher the replacement price on your gallon of gas goes for your gas station operator. The speculative price of the futures also benefits the oil companies because their inventories and their contracts for pumping oil are things that the corporations could sell to raise cash. They are good collateral for bank loans. They form part of their corporate worth. Even if their profit margins were not growing, the rise in the values of their inventories and of their contracts strengthen their creditworthiness among their bankers. The cost of getting cash loans (which all companies need to some degree or other) and selling their corporation's bonds on the securities market are more favorable with a high corporate worth. Their corporate stock tends to rise on the stock market, and their investors are happy, even if the profits, from which dividends are paid, did not rise more quickly than they are. And there is no cash outlay involved!! Unlike building or renovating refineries and expanding delivery systems. Which they would have to do to make this much income on a much lower price per gallon (they would have to refine and move much higher volume of the processed products). With prices as high as they are, oil fields that were once unprofitable to exploit should be profitable to tap now. Exploration subsidies should not be necessary. But what has happened? The oil companies are fighting proposals to roll back tax breaks and incentives. They are claiming that they need PUBLIC MONEY on top of all these profits to induce them to find and pump new oil if prices are to come down.Then when asked why they haven't found new oil and started pumping it, what will they say? Oh, we know where the oil is, but there's no point in pumping it because the refinery capacity is already maxed. And where will that public money go? Into the corporate worth. It becomes part of their income statements and balance sheets, which help them look better to bankers and the securities market ...... What's needed is to break the stranglehold that oil has on us. Americans won't be going to go back to 19th century Amish style living in massive numbers. What's needed is widespread availability of alternative fuels, such as methane and ethanol (and electric vehicles with better accelleration and range) and inexpensive ways to adapt vehicles presently on the road to burn the new fuels. Not everybody can afford to spend $20,000 and up to replace our gas-buggies. But many of us would gladly spend a few hundred or even a couple of thousand adapting our vehicles if we can't afford an entire new non-oil burning one. That is where government subsidies should be going. Now you may know far more than you ever wanted to know about why your gasoline is high as a cat's back. Janet is absolutely right! The ONLY way to make the prices go down is to not buy gasoline. And if buying something else becomes practical, when the price of gasoline does come down, will American drivers care? But consumption at the pump is only a sideshow, not the main event in oil pricing. If the oil companies simply switch their methods to price abuse of the alternative fuels, we will be doing the same dance. The raw materials for methane and ethanol are not "scarce" as oil. But the issues regarding refining and forward pricing and commodities market speculation will still be there. In focusing on the gasoline pump, IMHO we are not focusing on the real problem--which is that the fuel companies not only are paying the piper and calling the tune--they and the speculators are the only ones invited to the dance! Julia For what it's worth. Julia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jewen at bellsouth.net Tue May 23 08:29:06 2006 From: jewen at bellsouth.net (Julia Ewen) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:29:06 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] [afmdiscussion] burning ethanol References: <20060523035800.YOIB272.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@WoodallConsult1> Message-ID: <001001c67e64$7c501410$6101a8c0@amd1gig> Dear Friends, I am a fan of "green fuel" for cars. However, it just crossed my mind when Woody noted the big difference in Brazilian prices and Florida prices for sugar cane: why are Brazilian prices so cheap? Is it because of cheaper wages? and what about safety and health issues for Brazilian workers in cane fields and refineries? Once upon a time in the Southern United States, we too produced a large amount of sugar with very cheap labor and lousy working conditions. The working conditions for these slaves were so bad that masters throughout the rest of the South had only to threaten "I'll sell you South!" to bring an unruly field hand into line...Machinery does much of what human beings used to do probably, but it is still a hot, hard job. Which should be fairly compensated. Does it pay the workers a wage that will provide at least the necessities, health care and education for workers and families? Or will we be faced with boycotting ethanol because sugar is still being produced by economic, if not legal/political, slaves? There's more than American farmer "greed" at stake. If great demand produces a widely available cheap supply, prices world wide may not rise to the level that provides a decent pay level for US workers. Farm workers do not even today live luxurious lives! Pay may indeed fall further for them, working conditions get far worse, or the sugar cane industry, like so many others may go entirely overseas. Florida would have to replace that industry with something else that produces the same or more tax revenues and puts the same or more cash into its daily economy. So even if you don't like farm subsidies and don't care if your sugar comes from the US or Brazil or the Moon, you will pay for cheap sugar, and cheap ethanol made from it, with higher taxes--and perhaps less demand for your own product or service, as people's higher taxed incomes shrink and they make choices about what to cut out. It might be your service or product. And these are just the foreseeables! There is also the law of unintended consequences! Whenever we change one thing, thousands of other linked things change, and thousands of things linked to them change. Sometimes this is a positive chain. Do you remember a TV series called "Connections"? It examined various technololgical changes in history and historical events and how they grew out of one another over a period of decades and centuries. They focused on the positive linked changes. But there are also negative chains of changes. And no one can see with the mind of God to know in advance what unintended consequences will follow from change--whether it be consciously undertaken or not! I, like everyone else, do not want change to be painful--particularly painful to me! But what I see in scripture stories is that there is a lot of pain involved in life, in history, whether one is doing the right thing or not. Life happens. History happens. We keep living. We keep showing up trying to discern how to live rightly according to God's leading. The rain continues to fall on the just and on the unjust. Sometimes doing "good" seems effective and rewarding and sometimes "bad" seems to prosper. But we keep going on in the Light. Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Woodall To: 'Janet Minshall' ; 'Julia Ewen' Cc: afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com ; sayma at kitenet.net Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [afmdiscussion] burning ethanol Dear AFM reader, As you consider the national debate about ethanol as a fuel, keep in mind the difference between complete combustion and incomplete. If the conditions for complete combustion are presented, then only water and carbon dioxide would be produced when ethanol is burned. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, but it is also the giver of life (without carbon dioxide, there's no photosynthesis). If gasoline is combusted completely, it produces carbon dioxide and water, but also tiny quantities of other things. The rub however is the incomplete combustion scenario. And combustion is hardly ever complete, especially so with automobiles, which do not operate at a steady state. The driving habits of two drivers in the same vehicle will produce different ratios of exhaust constituents. Then there's the additives. Remember leaded gasoline? More recently, an additive designed to help atmospheric conditions has been found to be more mobile in groundwater than the original gasoline constituents. Who knows what additives to ethanol may be mandated in the future? It is difficult to pose the question (is ethanol cleaner or less polluting?) in a way that allows meaningful or precise answers. But I can tell you this: the human body has a marvelous ability to detoxify large quantities of ethanol, and a far less robust ability to detoxify even small quantities of gasoline constituents, viz. benzene. Gasoline is a witches brew of hundreds of vague compounds and has many negatives, while ethanol is a single simple compound. It is reasonable to assume that whatever negatives the products of incomplete ethanol combustion may have, they would not tip the scales in favor of gasoline. When one compares Brazil's reliance on ethanol to the US's tentative moves toward ethanol, note that Brazil is using sugar cane and we are using a raw material that is far from ideal. Only a small portion of the corn plant (just the kernels) is used, and the starches in those kernels have to be converted to sugars before the fermentation begins. Sugar cane on the other hand is loaded with sugars, and ready to go as soon as the juice is squeezed from the stem. US sugar producers have long complained about cheap imports of sugar. Seems to me that we should encourage sugar cane for fuel production. With a significant increase in world demand, the domestic price can rise to the level needed by the south Florida producers. Same for sugar beets. Woody 404/315-7395 (cell=678/431-0725) stevewoodall at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com [mailto:afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet Minshall Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:29 PM To: Julia Ewen Cc: afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com; sayma at kitenet.net Subject: Re: [afmdiscussion] Ken Spitze Column for May 14: "Economics 101: How (not) to Lower Gas Prices Hi Julia, Thanks for your response. I have one question about ethanol. Someone with the information is probably on this list and can answer it for me. Is the burning of ethanol any cleaner and less polluting than the burning of gasoline? Janet Minshall ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To send a reply to the whole list, hit Reply All. 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URL: From pennywright at earthlink.net Tue May 30 17:00:35 2006 From: pennywright at earthlink.net (Penelope Wright) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:00:35 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Employment Opportunities with Friends General Conference Message-ID: <008801c6842c$2d6af6d0$9a471342@user2ih5nie4yp> Dear Friends, Pasted in below is a posting of three positions that Friends General Conference is seeking to fill. These are brief descriptions but the web site for more details is given. Penelope Wright SAYMA rep to Friends General Conference Job Openings at Friends General Conference FGC expects to fill several positions by the end of the year. All of these are full time positions with excellent benefits. Conference Associate beginning October 2006. Working closely with the Conference Coordinator and the Junior Gathering Coordinator, this person supports the annual FGC Gathering and other smaller conferences. The Conference Associate provides primary staff support for two or more subcommittees, assists with preparation of the Gathering Advance Program and web page, and has primary responsibility for registration (both advance and on-site), housing assignments, and the on-site Information Desk. Travel approximately seven weekends/year, plus two weeks at Annual Gathering. Strong organizational, interpersonal and computer skills are essential. Application deadline 9/01/06 Major Gifts and Planned Giving Manager beginning January 2007. Duties in this new position include developing and implementing a planned giving program, cultivating and soliciting major gifts and planned gifts, and assisting with major development campaigns. Travel approximately 50% time. FGC will consider experienced candidate working from home, with substantial time in Philadelphia office. Professional development experience, writing, and relationship skills essential. Major gift, campaign, and planned giving experience preferable. This is an exciting opportunity to become part of FGC's vital and dynamic development program. Will work closely with Associate Secretary for Development and Interpretation and other staff. Application deadline 10/01/06. Youth Ministries Coordinator beginning January, 2007. Working on FGC's exciting new Youth Ministries Program in close cooperation with a new committee balanced between youth/young adults (ages 16 to 30) and older Friends, the coordinator carries major responsibilities in providing appropriate programs and services to Friends and Friends' meetings. These include holding conferences and retreats, supporting travel in the ministry by younger Friends, creating and maintaining a Quaker youth website, and helping to educate and support monthly meetings in efforts to strengthen true multi-generational communities. Strong organizational, computer and interpersonal skills, including demonstrated ability to work with young and adult young Friends, are essential. Application deadline 10/01/06. Job descriptions for these positions are available at www.fgcquaker.org/info/jobs.html To apply for any of these positions, send resume & letter to General Secretary, FGC, 1216 Arch Street, 2B, Philadelphia, PA 19107, or Ellen Helmuth, ellenh at fgcquaker.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snowolff at earthlink.net Tue May 30 17:51:46 2006 From: snowolff at earthlink.net (Jennifer Snow) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Ride Needed to SAYMA from Knightdale, NC Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060530174302.03333d08@earthlink.net> Dear Friends, I need a ride to SAYMA, since I don't have a driver's licence, although I am capable and not disabled anymore. I'm just in the process of getting my licence, and haven't gotten it yet. I live 6 miles south of 64 in Knightdale, NC to the east of Raleigh. I could probably get a ride to someplace near Chapel Hill or Durham if you don't want to drive out to Knightdale to pick me up. Attached are some maps and directions are in this email. Let me know what would be convenient. I live at 2112 Bethlehem Road, Raleigh, NC 27610-9317 in "the purple house". My phone is 919 261-0084. My home is due east of Raleigh. Just get to the beltline around Raleigh, which is 440. FROM WEST/Beltline: From 440 and take exit 15, which is Poole, Go east or right on Poole, towards Wendell about 5 miles. Take a right on Grasshopper, which will be at a stoplight, with has a firehouse on the left at that intersection. Go less than a mile on Grasshopper, (.8) until you meet Bethlehem, which will have a stop sign, make a right on Bethlehem, FROM EAST /NORTH Rte 64/Knightdale: Turn onto First Street, which is one block east of Smithfield, of the large Knightdale Shopping Center (Walmart, Winn-Dixie, etc) , of Lowes Home Warehouse. First becomes Bethlehem, you cross Poole in a mile and then cross Grasshopper in less than another mile. At the intersection of Grasshopper and Bethlehem, make a right on Bethlehem, go a few hundred yards, our purple house is on the right surrounded by pine trees. There will be 4 mailboxes immediately after our driveway. 3 black and one dayglo yellow/green mailbox. The signs fell down 2112, but my driveway is on the right. You need to come when its light out, since there are few street lights. The outer beltline goes east and the inner beltline goes west. _________________________________________________________ These are the directions from Yahoo. You can see that 440 appears and changes its names many times. Just ignore it. Stay on 40 until you get to exit 301. Then stay on that until you get to exit 15. Merge on I-40 EAST Continue on I-40 EAST/I-440 EAST Continue on I-440 EAST towards OUTER BELTLINE/ROCKY MOUNT, exit #301 Continue on I-440 NORTH Take the POOLE RD exit, exit #15 0.3 Turn Right on POOLE RD 4.7 Turn Right on GREGORY LN 0.1 (Gregory Lane DOES NOT exist! turn onto either Grasshopper or Bethlehem from Poole, and either one will get to my house) Continue on GRASSHOPPER RD 0.8 Turn Right on BETHLEHEM RD 0.0 Its all country, straight roads... see attached map and image of the house. Jennifer Snow Wolff 2112 Bethlehem Road Raleigh, NC 27610-9317 919 261-0084 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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