From listener at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 1 21:56:39 2006 From: listener at bellsouth.net (Kathryn Potter) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:56:39 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training In-Reply-To: <451EB304.504@charter.net> Message-ID: <20061002015642.PWFD25205.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@heyoka> Thanks, Steve. We do need to remember this perspective internationally. But the biggest concern I have at the moment is the eroding of our rights at home, and the lack of national integrity of ideal with action - in full view of citizens and international community alike. We've forgotten our history! Many of the European settlers of the Americas came here to escape the sort of government behaviors we are now allowing. Kit -----Original Message----- From: sayma-bounces at kitenet.net [mailto:sayma-bounces at kitenet.net] On Behalf Of Steve Livingston Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:10 PM Cc: sayma at kitenet.net Subject: Re: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training Friends, it is right and good for us to feel and express concern for the abandonment and abrogation of our cherished founding principles, but it is also good to reflect upon the longer historical context, and not lose sight of how far we have come as a nation, that we look upon these recent developments with such dismay. Let us not forget, for example, the dozen or so previous instances where military forces supported by American tax dollars have invaded sovereign nations, just in the past forty years, under questionable circumstances and with little justification. Let us not forget the ongoing struggle to expose the training that has been going on at the former School of the Americas for the past forty years, and the partial victory that conscience has achieved over imperialism in that case. Let us not forget the last quagmire where our troops were bogged down, forty years ago, and the exponential difference in human suffering and loss of life resulting from that conflict compared to the present one. It is right to speak out against the injustices of any regime. I offer as a hope and a caution that it is a mistake to attribute to one regime the injustices that have long been institutionalized and which only recently have begun to be addressed, and at that only partially. It's true that we have far to go before we have established a Peaceable Kingdom, but it's not so much farther than it was six years ago, ten, twenty, forty . . . and I would suggest perhaps not as far. Steve _______________________________________________ Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: -- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma -- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net From nc_stereoman at charter.net Mon Oct 2 09:00:56 2006 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (Steve Livingston) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:00:56 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training In-Reply-To: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> Message-ID: <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> With permission I am posting this exchange between myself and Kit Potter, in part as an inquiry to stimulate further reflection and conversation among Friends. Kathryn Potter wrote: Thanks, Steve. We do need to remember this perspective internationally. But the biggest concern I have at the moment is the eroding of our rights at home, and the lack of national integrity of ideal with action - in full view of citizens and international community alike. We've forgotten our history! Many of the European settlers of the Americas came here to escape the sort of government behaviors we are now allowing. Kit Steve Livingston wrote: That "lack of national integrity" part is particularly destructive, in my opinion. I believe the most important issue we have before us as a nation right now is: Campaign Reform. Until we manage to elect a government that will serve the best interests of the nation rather than the bests interests of their owners, no other issue can be resolved in an appropriate manner. Steve Kathryn Potter wrote: I agree with your choice of primary issue! I wonder if the US electorate can muster the will and the focus to make this the central reform action. I feel skeptical, but would work on it! Kit From freepolazzo at comcast.net Mon Oct 2 09:40:37 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (Free Polazzo) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:40:37 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Campaign Reform In-Reply-To: <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061002092911.024103b0@comcast.net> I agree that until we get real campaign reform so that we have fairer elections, our democracy (Republic?) is in trouble. A big concern I have had is to find a way to get more people to vote. One idea is to move elections away from Tues to the Weekend and make it a two day event. This could get more people to the polls and might change the discourse to include "all the people" and not just those who are "likely voters". Free At 09:00 AM 10/2/2006, Steve Livingston wrote: >With permission I am posting this exchange between myself and Kit >Potter, in part as an inquiry to stimulate further reflection and >conversation among Friends. > >Kathryn Potter wrote: > >Thanks, Steve. We do need to remember this perspective internationally. > >But the biggest concern I have at the moment is the eroding of our >rights at home, and the lack of national integrity of ideal with >action - in full view of citizens and international community alike. > >We've forgotten our history! Many of the European settlers of the >Americas came here to escape the sort of government behaviors we are >now allowing. > >Kit > >Steve Livingston wrote: > >That "lack of national integrity" part is particularly destructive, in >my opinion. I believe the most important issue we have before us as a >nation right now is: Campaign Reform. Until we manage to elect a >government that will serve the best interests of the nation rather than >the bests interests of their owners, no other issue can be resolved in >an appropriate manner. > >Steve > >Kathryn Potter wrote: > >I agree with your choice of primary issue! I wonder if the US electorate can >muster the will and the focus to make this the central reform action. I feel >skeptical, but would work on it! > >Kit > >_______________________________________________ >Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: >-- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get >off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma >-- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net From shmcbride at comcast.net Mon Oct 2 10:13:14 2006 From: shmcbride at comcast.net (susan mcbride) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:13:14 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> Message-ID: <00b201c6e62c$e764a4c0$6500a8c0@s0022864130> In part I see the issue of what is happening to our country as the fault of an arrogant few who are making decisions that alter certain rights that are said to be inalienable. Recently I began preparation for a presentation I am to give on the culture of poverty. What became clear (again) is that not everyone has the same rights we care to defend by way of peaceful means. There is a violence committed everyday to people in this country who have no voice. Speaking only for myself, a question posed itself. How is it I stand for rights that are not granted to everyone, especially when I see me as part of the problem? Maybe someone who has walked this road longer than I can speak to this? While working to help change the current situation, I am also prepared to be quiet and listen. Susan McBride ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Livingston" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training With permission I am posting this exchange between myself and Kit Potter, in part as an inquiry to stimulate further reflection and conversation among Friends. Kathryn Potter wrote: Thanks, Steve. We do need to remember this perspective internationally. But the biggest concern I have at the moment is the eroding of our rights at home, and the lack of national integrity of ideal with action - in full view of citizens and international community alike. We've forgotten our history! Many of the European settlers of the Americas came here to escape the sort of government behaviors we are now allowing. Kit Steve Livingston wrote: That "lack of national integrity" part is particularly destructive, in my opinion. I believe the most important issue we have before us as a nation right now is: Campaign Reform. Until we manage to elect a government that will serve the best interests of the nation rather than the bests interests of their owners, no other issue can be resolved in an appropriate manner. Steve Kathryn Potter wrote: I agree with your choice of primary issue! I wonder if the US electorate can muster the will and the focus to make this the central reform action. I feel skeptical, but would work on it! Kit _______________________________________________ Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: -- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma -- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006 From freepolazzo at comcast.net Mon Oct 2 11:41:05 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (Free Polazzo) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:41:05 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] National Solar Tours set for this coming weekend Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061002113359.0243c1b8@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Directions will be given for the home located in the Sandy Springs area close to GA 400, Exit 6. Tours take place at 10am, 11am and 12 noon and will last 60 minutes. Because numbers are limited, attendees must state which tour they wish to go on in advance. For those traveling by public transport (MARTA), attendees will be picked up at North Springs rail station 15 minutes before their allotted tour time. Please advise if you want to be picked up. A social event for GSEA members will take place immediately after the last tour finishes at 1.15 pm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.vmbra at verizon.net Mon Oct 2 20:57:58 2006 From: c.vmbra at verizon.net (Charles Schade) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:57:58 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> <00b201c6e62c$e764a4c0$6500a8c0@s0022864130> Message-ID: <004201c6e686$f86bfa70$2f01a8c0@cpschade> Thanks, Friends, for reminding me to take the long view. The Light is not diminished because the current Administration and previous ones fail to mind it. This past weekend I was reading Will Durant's Story of Civilization, when I came upon a passage that speaks to my condition: "In an age of war and chaos, of doubt and wandering, the Benedictine monastery was a healing refuge. It took dispossessed or ruined peasants, students longing for some quiet retreat, men weary of the strife and tumult of the world, and said to them: "Give up your pride and freedom, and find here security and peace." No wonder a hundred similar Benedictine monasteries rose throughout Europe, each independent of the rest, all subject only to the pope, serving as communistic isles in a raging individualistic sea. The Benedictine Rule and order proved to be among the most enduring creations of medieval man. Monte Cassino [the first Benedictine monastery] itself is a symbol of that permanence. Lombard barbarians sacked it in 589; the Lombards retired; the monks returned. The Saracens destroyed it in 884; the monks rebuilt it; earthquake ruined it in 1349; the monks restored it; French soldiery pillaged it in 1799; the shells and bombs of the Second World War leveled it to the ground in 1944. Today (1948) the monks of St. Benedict, with their own hands, are building it once more. Succisa virescit: cut it down, it blooms again." I pray that our meetings can provide the "quiet retreat" for those "weary of the strive and tumult of the world." Charles Schade Charleston, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan mcbride" To: "Steve Livingston" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training In part I see the issue of what is happening to our country as the fault of an arrogant few who are making decisions that alter certain rights that are said to be inalienable. Recently I began preparation for a presentation I am to give on the culture of poverty. What became clear (again) is that not everyone has the same rights we care to defend by way of peaceful means. There is a violence committed everyday to people in this country who have no voice. Speaking only for myself, a question posed itself. How is it I stand for rights that are not granted to everyone, especially when I see me as part of the problem? Maybe someone who has walked this road longer than I can speak to this? While working to help change the current situation, I am also prepared to be quiet and listen. Susan McBride ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Livingston" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training With permission I am posting this exchange between myself and Kit Potter, in part as an inquiry to stimulate further reflection and conversation among Friends. Kathryn Potter wrote: Thanks, Steve. We do need to remember this perspective internationally. But the biggest concern I have at the moment is the eroding of our rights at home, and the lack of national integrity of ideal with action - in full view of citizens and international community alike. We've forgotten our history! Many of the European settlers of the Americas came here to escape the sort of government behaviors we are now allowing. Kit Steve Livingston wrote: That "lack of national integrity" part is particularly destructive, in my opinion. I believe the most important issue we have before us as a nation right now is: Campaign Reform. Until we manage to elect a government that will serve the best interests of the nation rather than the bests interests of their owners, no other issue can be resolved in an appropriate manner. Steve Kathryn Potter wrote: I agree with your choice of primary issue! I wonder if the US electorate can muster the will and the focus to make this the central reform action. I feel skeptical, but would work on it! Kit _______________________________________________ Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: -- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma -- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006 _______________________________________________ Southern Appalachian Yearly Meeting and Association list-server: -- address to subscribe (get on the list-server) or unsubscribe (get off): http://kitenet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sayma -- address to send message to everyone on list: sayma at kitenet.net From nc_stereoman at charter.net Tue Oct 3 08:22:28 2006 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (Steve Livingston) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:22:28 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Quaker in Training In-Reply-To: <00b201c6e62c$e764a4c0$6500a8c0@s0022864130> References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> <00b201c6e62c$e764a4c0$6500a8c0@s0022864130> Message-ID: <45225604.2010905@charter.net> Your question, Susan, is one of those that I find fundamental to progress along my spiritual journey, and indeed central to making any headway at all for a community of Friends as well as for the larger and more diverse communities in our world. I find I am unwilling to bide my time until I have achieved some predetermined level of personal perfection before I begin to participate in efforts to improve these circles of communities. I can only hope that I am honest enough about my own shortcomings, and able to convey my imperfect state with humility but not self-effacement, so that I don't appear to be too much of a hypocrite when I am also honest about the shortcomings of my fellow travelers. Recognizing and naming my own deficiencies makes it easier to accept what I may see lacking in others and still be able to love and respect them. I hope it also tempers my observations and colors my actions so that others can more easily accept me. At the core of any real progress in my communities, I believe, is this willingness to accept and embrace one another "where we are", even as we endeavor to move on to a different place. Steve From Quakerkristi at aol.com Tue Oct 3 12:25:41 2006 From: Quakerkristi at aol.com (Quakerkristi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:25:41 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] SAYMA's New AA! Message-ID: Dear Friends, I am pleased to tell you that SAYMA has a new Administrative Assistant. Her name is Liz Perch, a well-known name in FGC and AFSC circles. Liz moved to Savannah, GA in the last year, from Philadelphia and is eager to keep her hand in Friends' work. Savannah is an area not encompassed by any Yearly Meeting and we are fortunate that she reached out in our direction. Liz spent the last 10 years as the Conference Coordinator for FGC, planning the Annual Gathering. Prior to that she was the Assistant to the Executive Director of AFSC. You can see that we are bringing "on board" a person with a wealth of experience and organizational skills. You can look forward to meeting her at the next Rep Meeting in Asheville, in December. In the meantime, the SAYMA office is now transitioning to Liz's address and phone number. The new contact information is: SAYMA c/o L. Perch 330 Goebel Ave. Savannah, GA 31404 (215)808-6537 - this is her cell phone where she can most easily be reached adminasst at sayma.org Thanks to all who helped in this transition. We look forward to a fruitful relationship with Liz and I'm sure you'll be hearing from her. Together in Service, Kristi Estes SAYMA clerk From bright_crow at mindspring.com Thu Oct 5 10:06:33 2006 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:06:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] Walhydra's Porch Message-ID: <12622189.1160057193233.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, About a decade ago, I began corresponding with a large group of online friends who continue to share a private listserv. Occasionally I would send a piece in the voice of "Walhydra," my cantankerous, ancient alter-ego. Walhydra isn't too pleased to have been reincarnated in a fifty-something, gay male would-be writer, but she makes the best of it. Finally, after much badgering from her, I have agreed to let her publish a blog, "Walhydra's Porch." You can find it at http://walhydra.blogspot.com/ There are only a handful of posts so far, and Walhydra (of course) thinks you should begin at the beginning: "In which Walhydra reluctantly joins the blogosphere: or, Telepathy is more genteel, but nobody listens anymore" http://walhydra.blogspot.com/2006/09/in-which-walhydra-reluctantly-joins.html I myself would encourage you to read "Walhydra's Convincement" http://walhydra.blogspot.com/2006/09/walhydras-convincement-walhydra-admits.html Also, she has done me the honor of letting my repost on her blog a piece I posted today for my professional library colleagues on our library system discussion board: "Poor Richard Redux: A Manifesto" http://walhydra.blogspot.com/2006/10/poor-richard-redux-manifesto-walhydras.html Enjoy, and Blessed Be, Michael From freepolazzo at comcast.net Thu Oct 5 17:28:15 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (Free Polazzo) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:28:15 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Philadelphia Yearly Meeting looking for General Secretary Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061005172624.024032c0@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at robwire.com Fri Oct 6 12:05:38 2006 From: rob at robwire.com (Rob) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:05:38 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Young people are abandoning radical right wing religion in droves In-Reply-To: <4c21f0290610060901y683c94ebw2209c0725dcd0bee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c21f0290610060901y683c94ebw2209c0725dcd0bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c21f0290610060905o7ba046e7u8e5b8b846ed4fefd@mail.gmail.com> Despite their packed megachurches, their political clout and their increasing visibility on the national stage, evangelical Christian leaders are warning one another that their teenagers are abandoning the faith in droves. At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names in the conservative evangelical movement. http://robwire.com/?q=node/1210 -- Powered by NewOrleansEmail.Com http://neworleansemail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pennywright at earthlink.net Fri Oct 6 16:15:45 2006 From: pennywright at earthlink.net (Penelope Wright) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:15:45 -0500 Subject: [saymaListserv] Employment Opportunities with Friends General Conference Message-ID: <002c01c6e984$3621fdb0$93411342@penelope52a179> Dear Friends, As one of SAYMA's representatives to Friends General Conference, I share this employment opportunity with you. If some of the language is unfamiliar to those of you who have been part of FGC in the past, it is because there has been a re-organization of the supervisory duties and positions. Penelope Wright FGC Associate Secretary for Programs and Outreach. Great opportunity to work with dynamic, growing Quaker organization and extraordinary staff community through provision of spiritually-grounded staff leadership with new four-person "administrative team." Seasoned Friend with strong administrative and supervisory experience, collegial style and good communication skills sought. Full time, good salary, excellent benefits. Application deadline 12/15/06. Send resume & application letter to General Secretary, FGC, 1216 Arch Street, 2B, Philadelphia, PA 19107, or bruceb at fgcquaker.org (call to confirm receipt). PS We are still looking for the right person to work full-time as our Conference Assistant. This is a very important support position with many responsibilities for the Annual FGC Gathering and occasional smaller conferences. The Conference Assistant will work closely with our wonderful new Conference Coordinator, Traci Sullivan, and equally terrific Junior Gathering Coordinator, Patsy Martin. Full time, decent salary, excellent benefits. Contact Traci immediately at 215-561-1700, or Tracis at fgcquaker.org (call to confirm receipt). And we are still open to applications for Planned Giving and Major Gifts Associate in our Development Program, and for the anticipated full-time, long-term position of Youth Ministries Coordinator. For more information on any of these positions, contact the FGC office at 215-561-1700. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nc_stereoman at charter.net Sat Oct 7 06:59:29 2006 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (Steve Livingston) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:59:29 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Campaign Reform In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061002092911.024103b0@comcast.net> References: <009c01c6e4a9$dba66940$6500a8c0@s0022864130> <45210D88.4040005@charter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20061002092911.024103b0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45278891.3060503@charter.net> Recently there have been several news items in the MSM about "getting out the vote". They have focused on methods used by the principle parties to identify potential voters and incentives. To my mind, "getting more people" is not always a good thing, especially when the people are single issue voters who know nothing more about the candidate than what they hear in a single telephone call from a campaign worker. For example, in the news report I heard yesterday on NPR, there was a clip of a worker asking an elderly woman what issue was most important to her. "Illegal Immigration" was her reply. Would this woman be persuaded to vote on that basis? If she knew that the candidate she was being persuaded to vote for was also a strong supporter of gutting her Social Security, would that affect her decision? I have a hard time with the idea of "all the people" voting when so many are disinterested in or disenchanted with the political process, or voting on the basis of unenlightened self-interest. I don't think getting out the vote on election day is really in right order. I think it's more important to address what potential voters are getting out of the campaign process prior to election day than what the candidates are getting out of potential voters on election day. Steve From bright_crow at mindspring.com Sat Oct 7 16:31:03 2006 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:31:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] StPeteforPeace.org comment on Civil Liberties Message-ID: <27366479.1160253063837.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, You might want to take a look at the St. Pete for Peace Weekly Update for October 3rd, posted on the SEYMpeace.org website: http://seympeace.org/StPete.htm There are cogent comments on Congress' recent abridgement of civil liberties, with its passage of the terror detainee bill, as well as on Henry Kissinger's continued influence on foreign policy. Take a look at their home page as well: http://www.stpeteforpeace.org/ Thanks, Mike From bright_crow at mindspring.com Tue Oct 10 11:39:08 2006 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:39:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] Beyond Prisons: A New Interfaith Paradigm to Our Failed Prison System Message-ID: <16734286.1160494748838.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Friends, I want to encourage you to take a look at this new book: Beyond Prisons: A New Interfaith Paradigm to Our Failed Prison System by Laura Magnani and Harmon L. Wray Fortress Press http://www.augsburgfortress.org/fortresspress/store/item.asp?clsid=177290&isbn=0800638328 You can find a promotional web page at http://seympeace.org/Beyond.htm, linked from Southeastern Yearly Meeting's peace and social concerns website: http://seympeace.org/#NEW Please note that there are links to reviews in on the second half of the web page. The book was begun during my last years as clerk of Criminal Justice Task Force for American Friends Service Committee. AFSC had done earlier publications on prison reform. CJTF and the national Community Relations Unit (CRU), of which CJTF is a part, revised the whole realm of concern and updated its thinking and its recommendations, both to AFSC itself and to the whole justice advocacy community. This book is an outgrowth of that process. Laura and Harmon wrote the text, which went through several rounds of review and comment with CJTF members, both in person at our meetings in Philadelphia and via email. This is a "strong indictment of the current prison system, which traces the history and features of our penal system, offers strong ethical and moral assessments of it, and lays out a whole new paradigm of criminal justice based on restorative justice and reconciliation. The book puts forward a 12-point plan for immediate changes. "Beyond Prisons opens a long-needed national dialogue on our responsibilities as citizens and as a nation to provide remediation rather than mere retributive incarceration, answerable to the common good and the justice of God." Please visit the web page and share this information widely. Thank you, Michael From bright_crow at mindspring.com Fri Oct 13 10:29:35 2006 From: bright_crow at mindspring.com (Mike Shell) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:29:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [saymaListserv] Fw: Iraq: The Killing Must Stop - FCNL Message-ID: <24262063.1160749776093.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From freepolazzo at comcast.net Sun Oct 15 17:43:02 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (Free Polazzo) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:43:02 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Senate Bill S 3696 needs to be opposed Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061015173309.0247d458@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Quakerkristi at aol.com Mon Oct 16 14:25:06 2006 From: Quakerkristi at aol.com (Quakerkristi at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:25:06 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] fwd: FGC job openings Message-ID: Dear FGC Contacts, FGC is asking for your help in publicizing several open positions, including a newly revised, full-time Associate Secretary for Programs and Outreach. This position will combine administrative and supervisory responsibilities as part of the staff leadership team with the responsibilities of staff Coordinator for the Advancement and Outreach program, working closely with the A & O Committee. Position descriptions for all open positions may be found at http://www.fgcquaker.org/info/jobs.html. We need your help in advertising this new position. Please distribute and post the following announcement as widely as possible and wherever you can?electronically to other Friends, in your meeting newsletter, on yearly meeting or other Quaker web sites, etc. We are extending the deadline for applications to December 15, but (assuming budget approval from Central Committee this month) we expect to begin interviews in the first half of December. Here is the job announcement for posting: FGC Associate Secretary for Programs and Outreach. Great opportunity to work with dynamic, growing Quaker organization and extraordinary staff community through provision of spiritually-grounded staff leadership with new four-person ?administrative team.? Seasoned Friend with strong administrative and supervisory experience, collegial style and good communication skills sought. Full time, good salary, excellent benefits. Application deadline 12/15/06. Send resume & application letter to General Secretary, FGC, 1216 Arch Street, 2B, Philadelphia, PA 19107, or bruceb at fgcquaker.org (call to confirm receipt). You Friends know what an exciting, dynamic, and deeply Spirit-centered organization FGC has become. Please help us find the right person for this important position. Also, we are still looking for the right person to work full-time as our Conference Assistant. This is a very important support position with many responsibilities for the Annual FGC Gathering and occasional smaller conferences. The Conference Assistant will work closely with our wonderful new Conference Coordinator, Traci Sullivan, and equally terrific Junior Gathering Coordinator, Patsy Martin. Full time, decent salary, excellent benefits. Contact Traci immediately at 215-561-1700, or Tracis at fgcquaker.org (call to confirm receipt). We hope to fill this position within a matter of days. Finally, we are still open to applications for Planned Giving and Major Gifts Manager in our Development Program, and for the anticipated full-time, long-term position of Youth Ministries Coordinator. For more information on any of these positions, contact the FGC office at 215-561-1700 or ellenh at fgcquaker.org. Thank you for your help! In the Spirit, Carrie Carrie Glasby Development Manager Friends General Conference From Quakerkristi at aol.com Wed Oct 18 10:31:12 2006 From: Quakerkristi at aol.com (Quakerkristi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:31:12 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] QUIT: Letter to Editor Message-ID: Subj: [QUIT-L] Military Commissions Act, letter to Editor, LA TIMES Date: 10/18/06 8:51:25 AM Central Daylight Time From: calvij at SOVER.NET (John Calvi) Sender: QUIT-L at MTSAC.EDU (QUaker Initiative to end Torture) Reply-to: QUIT-L at MTSAC.EDU (QUaker Initiative to end Torture) To: QUIT-L at MTSAC.EDU This just in- John Calvi QUIT convener From: Margaret Toledano Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:10:19 -0700 Subject: Military Commissions Act, letter to Editor, LA TIMES   President Bush signed away his oath of office to uphold the Constitution when he signed the Military Commissions Act.  He maintains that only those who are ³illegal enemy combatants² will lose the protection of habeas corpus, the ancient right of prisoners in just societies to have their detentions reviewed, to face their accusers, to know what evidence is being used against them and to have a fair trial.   Without this key protection of our Constitution, we would have known a very different idea of law, order and justice these last 230 years.  Only a very few Guantanamo detainees are seriously considered likely terrorists.  The remainder of the detainees bear an uncomfortable resemblance to ordinary people unwittingly caught in war¹s chaos ­ ordinary people very like you and me.   Our deep concern must be that it will take little suspicion from the same administration to put private citizens like us into the detainees¹ shoes.  This latest power grab by Mr. Bush and his ³advisors² leaves it to their very questionable judgment just whom they will label an ³illegal enemy combatant.²  Such persons will be tried with the burden of proof reversed, without due process or the rule of law as we know it, without seeing or hearing their accusers, and in secret courts.   This is a despicable piece of legislation. It is a moral outrage, an outrage that violates every tenet of human rights the United States has stood for over the last two centuries.  If our elected officials have lost their moral compass, We the People have not. Let us look to our consciences, and remind Mr. Bush of this fact on November 7. Peggy Toledano (John,  I took the habeas corpus angle, since I think there will be others to weigh in against  torture.  Orange County Interfaith Peace Ministry is stepping up activity; I represent it for OC Friends Meeting.  The Peace Ministry is introducing me to the member churches, mosques and synagogues through its newsletter as being available to address groups on QUIT.) ------ End of Forwarded Message ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xm04.mx.aol.com (rly-xm04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.105]) by air-xm02.mail.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILINXM24-6084536313e11; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from ibm.MTSac.edu (ibm.mtsac.edu [140.144.201.2]) by rly-xm04.mx.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXM44-6084536313e11; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:05 -0400 Received: by ibm.MTSac.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) via spool with SMTP id 5746 ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:01 PDT Received: from VM.MTSAC.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV at MSACVM) by VM.MTSAC.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 9067; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:01 -0700 Received: from VM.MTSAC.EDU by VM.MTSAC.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8e) with NJE id 6719 for QUIT-L at VM.MTSAC.EDU; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:01 -0700 Received: from MSACVM (NJE origin SMTP6 at MSACVM) by VM.MTSAC.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 9065 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:01 -0700 Received: from mailhub2.mtsac.edu [140.144.32.226] by ibm.MTSac.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 3A0) via TCP with ESMTP ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:00 PDT Received: from barracuda.mtsac.edu ([140.144.32.14]) by mailhub2.mtsac.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0) with ESMTP id 2006101806505618-1267 ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:56 -0700 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1161179446-31493-155-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://barracuda.mtsac.edu:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mx0.sover.net (mx0.sover.net [209.198.87.162]) by barracuda.mtsac.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 90BC618EF4C for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth4.sover.net (smtpauth4.sover.net [209.198.87.111]) by mx0.sover.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IDprlo079048 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:51:53 GMT (envelope-from calvij at sover.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (dsl186.ptnyvtch.sover.net [216.114.148.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth4.sover.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IDoe8g001503 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.6.040913.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Military Commissions Act, letter to Editor, LA TIMES Mime-version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0006 1.0000 -2.0169 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at mtsac.edu X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -0.82 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-0.82 using per-user scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=4.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=HTML_10_20, HTML_FONT_BIG X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.23538 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.26 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML tag for a big font size 0.94 HTML_10_20 BODY: Message is 10% to 20% HTML X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mailhub2/MtSAC(Release 7.0|August 18, 2005) at 10/18/2006 06:50:56 AM, Serialize by Router on Mailhub2/MtSAC(Release 7.0|August 18, 2005) at 10/18/2006 06:50:57 AM, Serialize complete at 10/18/2006 06:50:57 AM Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3244009839_474374" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:50:39 -0400 Reply-To: QUaker Initiative to end Torture Sender: QUaker Initiative to end Torture From: John Calvi Subject: [QUIT-L] Military Commissions Act, letter to Editor, LA TIMES To: QUIT-L at MTSAC.EDU In-Reply-To: Precedence: list X-AOL-IP: 140.144.201.2 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451793859:14441827 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 From freepolazzo at comcast.net Wed Oct 18 21:02:30 2006 From: freepolazzo at comcast.net (Free Polazzo) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:02:30 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Your Message from John Calvi of QUIT Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061018205205.0250b520@comcast.net> Dear Kirsti, Thank you for working with John Calvi and your support of QUIT (QUaker Initiative to end Torture.) It is good to see our YM Clerk also active in outreach and social concerns. You are a wonderful model for all of us "busy Friends" to slow down and find the time to do the really important work that is needed in our world. I hold us all in the Light. We are part of this country and we are part of what keeps this thing going. Your messages help me to speak to others about this terrible thing we are doing in the name of "homeland security". The elections will once again show us who we really are and not just who we think we are. Right now, we are a country that the rest of the world is afraid of. So afraid that more and more may be building nuclear bombs, even while their people starve. Fear makes people act against their own long term interests, even dictators. Even Americans. I pray that the Amreican people send a strong message that this trampling of human rights cannot endure. The Spirit needs our help to make sure that of God in every person is honored, no matter what the election results. Blessings, Free Polazzo >This just in- > >John Calvi >QUIT convener > >From: Margaret Toledano >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:10:19 -0700 >Subject: Military Commissions Act, letter to Editor, LA TIMES > > >President Bush signed away his oath of office to uphold the Constitution >when he signed the Military Commissions Act. He maintains that only those >who are ³illegal enemy combatants² will lose the protection of habeas >corpus, the ancient right of prisoners in just societies to have their >detentions reviewed, to face their accusers, to know what evidence is being >used against them and to have a fair trial. > >Without this key protection of our Constitution, we would have known a very >different idea of law, order and justice these last 230 years. Only a very >few Guantanamo detainees are seriously considered likely terrorists. The >remainder of the detainees bear an uncomfortable resemblance to ordinary >people unwittingly caught in war¹s chaos ­ ordinary people very like you and >me. > >Our deep concern must be that it will take little suspicion from the same >administration to put private citizens like us into the detainees¹ shoes. >This latest power grab by Mr. Bush and his ³advisors² leaves it to their >very questionable judgment just whom they will label an ³illegal enemy >combatant.² Such persons will be tried with the burden of proof reversed, >without due process or the rule of law as we know it, without seeing or >hearing their accusers, and in secret courts. > >This is a despicable piece of legislation. It is a moral outrage, an outrage >that violates every tenet of human rights the United States has stood for >over the last two centuries. If our elected officials have lost their moral >compass, We the People have not. Let us look to our consciences, and remind >Mr. Bush of this fact on November 7. > >Peggy Toledano >(John, I took the habeas corpus angle, since I think there will be others >to weigh in against torture. Orange County Interfaith Peace Ministry is >stepping up activity; I represent it for OC Friends Meeting. The Peace >Ministry is introducing me to the member churches, mosques and synagogues >through its newsletter as being available to address groups on QUIT.) > > >------ End of Forwarded Message From adminasst at sayma.org Thu Oct 19 22:32:47 2006 From: adminasst at sayma.org (Liz Perch, SAYMA Admin Assistant) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] Help Celo Meeting Build! Message-ID: <003101c6f3f0$088d33d0$6401a8c0@user593e769826> SAYMA Volunteers needed Help Celo Friends Meeting build our Meeting House. Work week December 4th-9th. Come after you are done at SAYMA rep. meeting December 2nd in Asheville. We need help insulating, installing drywall, building handicap entrance, landscaping, etc. Come for a day or all week. We will provide food and housing. Let us know if you can come. Call Judy Scheckel 828-675-9075 or email Gib Barrus gib at campcelo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nc_stereoman at charter.net Tue Oct 24 22:41:20 2006 From: nc_stereoman at charter.net (Steve Livingston) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:41:20 -0400 Subject: [saymaListserv] minutes on torture In-Reply-To: <448E1C1F.7070703@charter.net> References: <448E1C1F.7070703@charter.net> Message-ID: <453ECED0.4080007@charter.net> Dear Friends, The SAYMA Peace and Social Concerns Committee will be meeting this weekend. We would like to know if any SAYMA meetings have united on a minute concerning torture, but have not forwarded their minute to the Peace and Social Concerns Committee. Please send any such minute to me asap. Additionally, if your monthly meeting has any other item(s) to bring to the attention of the committee, that would be welcome as well. Steve From CIsland at aol.com Wed Oct 25 12:13:57 2006 From: CIsland at aol.com (CIsland at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:13:57 EDT Subject: [saymaListserv] More Christians active in ecological concerns Message-ID: SAYMA Friends, I hope the rather awkward subject line does not bother people. I think this announcement is about more than just "Evangelicals" though that is the label featured in its title and text. I am forwarding this for the information about the new documentary (I guess that's what it is) The Great Warming. There is a link in the website at _www.thegreatwarming.com_ (http://www.thegreatwarming.com) that will tell you where it is set to show. Bill Reynolds Evangelicals Embrace of Environmental Stewardship Creates Problem for Bush "Evangelicals? comprise between 40 to 50 percent of?the Republican base, and so if the largest single population group in the Republican coalition were to say, 'this is important. We want you to take, as leaders in the Republican party, leadership on climate change, on clean air, on pure water, on the stewardship of our natural resources.' If evangelical Christians were to say that, I daresay Republicans will listen. This president, George Bush, will have to listen, the Republicans running for the White House in 2008 will have to listen?" - Reverend Richard Cizik, vice president of governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, from the film, The Great Warming. Around the country, many religious groups, and most notably evangelical Christians, are taking a stand on the environment. Observers say the Bush administration could lose significant support from its conservative religious base if it doesn't change its stance on issues like global warming. In addition to promoting sermons on "creation care" - the idea that the Bible calls on people to care for God's earth - evangelical leaders are urging their congregations to see The Great Warming, a documentary film that has been highlighted in the _Los Angeles Times_ (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=213544024&url_num=5&url=http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-n a-warming19oct19,0,7028600.story?coll=la-home-headlines) and _Washington Post._ (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=213544024&url_num=6&url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801 681.html) Narrated by Alanis Morissette and Keanu Reeves, The Great Warming depicts the threat global warming poses to millions of people, particularly the world's children, the poorest and the most vulnerable. The film also showcases the recent engagement of religious groups in confronting the enormous challenge of global warming. Groups like the Christian Coalition and the National Association of Evangelicals are also making global warming an issue. Reverend Richard Cizik, vice president of governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, has been pressing politicians to publicly state their positions on global warming. Last summer Cizik invited contenders for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania - Democrat Bob Casey, Jr. and incumbent Senator Republican Rick Santorum - to a forum on climate change. Casey appeared and endorsed the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, Santorum declined to attend. The Great Warming is set to open in 34 theaters around the country on the weekend of November 3. To find out where the film will be playing, visit _www.thegreatwarming.com_ (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=213544024&url_num=7&url=http://www.thegreatwarming.com) . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: