'556 Re: [saymaListserv] seeing the List membership

Peggy Bonnington bonnipeg at sprynet.com
Fri May 19 21:38:47 JEST 2000


I agree fully with Janet on this.  And what she is requesting is the way all
other lists I know of  routinely work.  Why should ours be different and
require "extra steps" that can easily be overlooked by anyone expecting a
familiar list situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Minshall <jhminshall at mindspring.com>
To: Mary Calhoun <moriah at preferred.com>
Cc: <sayma at kitenet.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: '556 Re: [saymaListserv] seeing the List membership


> Hi Mary, Thanks for your response. I don't really care how or why the
> current system was put in place  --  I am not into blaming -- but would
> like very much to have it corrected.  I agree that it is still be
possible,
> with a clear understanding of how to use the setup that Joey Hess has
> installed, to keep the discussion open to all on the kitenet list, but I
> don't think that is what we want. We shouldn't require special knowledge
to
> attain openness. I would like for responses to all kitenet messages to
> automatically be sent to everyone on the kitenet list with no special
> computer instructions or additional addresses required.  Hopefully this
> won't be too hard to accomplish.
> Best Regards,  Janet Minshall
>
>
>
>  >Dear Janet,
> >
> >I'll inquire further about the "reply setting" on the listserve
> >software.
> >
> >I don't know for a fact that Joey made a choice here; it may have been
> >an oversight, or he may have left it for future decision by SAYMA.  If
> >it's a "default setting," which we don't know either, the software quite
> >possibly came out of the box that way, and may need only to be reset.
> >
> >I'd agree that it's not convenient, or user-friendly to new e-mail
> >users, to have to insert sayma at kitenet.net on the copy-to line to keep
> >the conversation fully open.  But this requirement isn't quite the same
> >as managing (or "moderating") the discussion.  We're still free to do
> >the equivalent of standing and speaking to the whole meeting.  And there
> >might also be times when the choice -- between standing or whispering to
> >a neighbor -- would lead us to the wiser decision of saving unseasoned
> >remarks for later.
> >
> >^o^
> >Mary Calhoun
> >Foxfire FM
> >AA, SAYMA
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Janet Minshall <jhminshall at mindspring.com>
> >To: Mary Calhoun <moriah at preferred.com>
> >Cc: <sayma at kitenet.net>; <pennywright at earthlink.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:37 AM
> >Subject: '556 Re: [saymaListserv] seeing the List membership
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mary,  Please let Joey Hess know that sending responses from SAYMA
> >> members/attenders ONLY to the person who wrote the message almost
> >> completely defeats the purpose of having the kitenet list as a means
> >of
> >> communication among SAYMA Friends. Open and unfettered dialogue is the
> >> whole point of an e-mail discussion and is more consistent with
> >Friends
> >> faith and practice than any form of managed or directed communication.
> >> Using an individual response mode as a default on the listserve
> >practically
> >> insures that such open discussions will no longer take place.  My
> >partner,
> >> Free, suggests that individual responses are rather like whispering to
> >> someone during meeting for worship. I think if it is important enough
> >to
> >> say, then it is important enough to share with everyone.  It is one
> >> standard of truth.
> >>
> >> Also I, for one, would hate to see the kitenet list turned into an
> >> "official business only" list.  If we are to have such an official
> >list,
> >> let it be in addition to, not instead of, the current open discussion
> >site.
> >> Best Regards,  Janet Minshall
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>      >Dear Peggy,
> >> >
> >> >(see responses at ***** below)
> >> >
> >> >^o^
> >> >Mary
> >> >
> >> >(Message copies to Janet Minshall and Beth Keiter are for SAYMA
> >insight
> >> >into "how things are going at the office."  If you have an overriding
> >> >need for a "non-copied" exchange please say so clearly, and I'll
> >honor
> >> >the request.)
> >> >
> >> >================
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: Peggy Bonnington
> >> >To: SAYMA
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:42 PM
> >> >Subject: [saymaListserv] seeing the List membership
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I sent a brief message off in response to Willard's reference to
> >seeing
> >> >the list members, asking how it is done.
> >> >I thought I was sending it to the list, but it only went to Willard I
> >> >later discovered.
> >> >
> >> >******
> >> >The new software that Joey Hess is using to run the listserver has an
> >> >"option" which is set so that replies to a sayma at kitenet.net message
> >go
> >> >only to the person who wrote the message.  I'm not sure if this is a
> >> >software "default" setting, or something Joey chose.  (I haven't
> >asked
> >> >yet.)  I can see advantages and disadvantages to the setting.  I
> >believe
> >> >you can still have your reply go to the whole list; I think you'd
> >just
> >> >need to add the sayma at kitenet.net address to the header of your
> >reply.
> >> >
> >> >----------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >I would very much like to find out how one accessed this information,
> >as
> >> >I've often wondered how wide the range of our correspondence.
> >> >*************
> >> >You probably have an April 12 message from Joey Hess, subject
> >"[Sayma]
> >> >Administrivia: mailing list changes."  It gives two website addresses
> >in
> >> >the first paragraph; probably either one will get you to the list of
> >> >subscribers.
> >> >
> >> >If you no longer have Joey's message, or run into other problems, let
> >me
> >> >know!
> >> >
> >> >-------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Mary, care to share?
> >> >Peggy Bonnington
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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