[saymaListserv] RE: sayma Digest, Vol 22, Issue 3

Perry Treadwell perryt at bellsouth.net
Mon Nov 8 14:21:18 JEST 2004

Judith and I were rightly joined 13 years ago by Atlanta Meeting with no 
license because our gay (F)friends could not be married. We have 
explicit financial agreements and wills. As I recall Free and Janet were 
also rightly joined. Perry

Peggy Bonnington wrote:

>Interestingly enough, Steve, that is EXACTLY what some disappointed
>folks in Clarksville were talking about doing - promoting the banning of
>all marriage if gay marriage couldn't be appropriately recongized and
>condoned.  Yes, I know it doesn't make much sense in one sense ... But
>just goes to show that there are some strong feelings out here about our
>country refusing to give validation to loving and committed couples -
>and making stupid choices as a result!
>-----Original Message-----
>Dear Friends,
>I understand how easy it is for the many citizens who are 
>disappointed with the outcome of the elections to momentarily 
>forget that we are all citizens of the same country, whichever lever 
>we pulled in the voting booth. Or wherever we touched the screen, 
>as the case may be.
>Once the dust settles, we citizens may return to our primary task of 
>good stewardship of our Ship of State, care and concern for the 
>welfare of our neighbors from community to global, and we Friends 
>may return to our calling to cheerfully walk upon the Earth, 
>answering to that of G*d in every one.
>I think we will find that last particularly daunting if we regard our 
>fellow citizens as collectively ignorant, and view their deeply-held 
>spirituality as "Christian Taliban". I doubt we can be helpful to them 
>unless we are more open to connect on both a spiritual and an 
>intellectual level.
>It's important to remember that even among us Liberal Friends, 
>there is not universal acceptance of "gay marriage". Some Friends, 
>including some I know personally and do not consider to be 
>ignorant, find that they are unable to unite with the term "marriage" 
>being applied to couples of the same gender.
>How long has it been since we Quakers have been united in our 
>acceptance of homosexuality as natural and Divinely sanctified? 
>Was this a revelation given to George Fox? or did it take us 
>hundreds of years to get to this point? Do we dismiss our 
>forebearers as ignorant because the way had not yet opened for 
>them to be so enlightened?
>I wonder how many of us would unite in refraining from marriage of 
>heterosexual couples because we oppose discrimination against 
>homosexual couples. Which of us who are already enjoying the 
>rights and privileges of legal matrimony would willingly give up 
>those rights until such time as they are afforded to all couples?
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