[saymaListserv] Re: [afmdiscussion] 2005 FGC Gathering

Larry Ingle lingle at bellsouth.net
Thu Apr 28 16:27:08 JEST 2005

I must say that I am surprised that Friends must "honor" the "feelings" of
any group or person claiming to represent "the Native Americans of
Massachusetts."  I think Friends should certainly consider their views, but
I thought we Quakers were all about honoring the will of God.  Have I missed

For what it's worth.

Larry Ingle
Chattanooga Meeting

> From: "Ceal" <cecilia at wutka.com>
> Reply-To: Ceal <cecilia at wutka.com>
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:40:20 -0400
> To: "AFM Friends" <afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com>, <sayma at kitenet.net>, "free
> polazzo" <freepolazzo at comcast.net>
> Cc: Bruce Birchard <bruceb at fgcquaker.org>, George Price
> <stonelodge at earthlink.net>, Liz Perch <Lizp at fgcquaker.org>
> Subject: [saymaListserv] Re: [afmdiscussion] 2005 FGC Gathering
> I was not trying to start a dicsussion on whether there should be a
> Sweatlodge.  I only wanted to see the full truth told. Last year the Native
> Americans in Massachusetts wrote to the planning committee of The Gathering
> to express their feelings. I think these need to be honored and considered
> Ceal Wutka
> Atlanta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "free polazzo" <freepolazzo at comcast.net>
> To: "Ceal" <cecilia at wutka.com>; "AFM Friends"
> <afmdiscussion at yahoogroups.com>; <sayma at kitenet.net>
> Cc: "Bruce Birchard" <bruceb at fgcquaker.org>; "George Price"
> <stonelodge at earthlink.net>; "Liz Perch" <Lizp at fgcquaker.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [afmdiscussion] 2005 FGC Gathering
>> Hi Ceal,
>> Atlanta Freinds Meeting approved marrying any 2 people, regardless of
>> sexual orientation. Do you think that upsets anyone in Atlanta, GA or the
>> USA?
>> Most all my neighbors are upset that I have a "War is Not the Answer" sign
>> in my yard  (some even rip them up and others take them away - 15 so far).
>> Should I decide not to declare myself against war because they are upset
>> about the signs?
>> SAYMA Friends don't believe in having a hired Priest (or Minister or Rabbi
>> or Shaman or Iman for that matter.)   That must upset some of the groups
>> that believe that you need someone who was "ordained" to lead religious
>> services.    Should we hire a minister so that people won't be offended?
>> I'm sure you could add to this list.  They don't call Friends the
>> "Peculiar People" for nothing.
>> If Friends start following the "niceness" Testimony, what are we to do
>> with our Testimonies on Equality, Truth, Peace and Simplicity and
>> Community?
>> I don't think anyone wanted to offend any Native Americans.    As you
>> know, there are very few groups of humans where all the members of that
>> group agree on how to worship and how big to make the circle.    Friends
>> who were following the leading of the Spirit.
>> The issue is this:  "Can Friends General Conference's Long Range Planning
>> Committee close a door to the Spirit for some, at the FGC Gathering,
>> because others think it's the "Wrong" door?
>> Blessings,
>> Free
>> At 08:51 AM 4/21/2005, Ceal wrote:
>>> However this is true in one aspect - the Sweat Lodge was removed last year
>>> and this year because it DID offend some Native Americans. I know there
>>> are many Native Americans who have been asked and thought it was fine but
>>> others have been offended and upset.
>>> Ceal
>>> Atlanta
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